Do you support/like the EU?

Highlighter of Errors · Post by **Highlighter of Errors** » 2002-10-26 12:16pm

I don't support it. Its just fantasy in a Star Wars environment. It's kind of like a guy in drag; it might look good, 'til you get a closer look.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-26 01:22pm

too bad thats an totally inaccurate

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-26 01:25pm

An introduction to "Splinter of the Mind's Eye" done by George
Lucas:

"It wasn't long after I began writing Star Wars that I realized the
story was more than a single film could hold. As the saga of
Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that
could take at least nine films to tell - three trilogies - and I
realized, in making my way through the back story and after story,
that I was really setting out to write the middle story.

After Star Wars was released, it became apparent that my story-however
many films it took to tell - was only one of thousands that could be
told about the characters who inhabit its galaxy. But these were not
stories that I was destined to tell. Instead they would spring from
the imagination of other writers, inspired by the glimpse of a galaxy
that Star Wars provided. Today it is an amazing, if unexpected, legacy
of Star Wars that so many gifted writers are contributing new stories
to the Saga. This legacy began with Splinter of the Mind's Eye,
published less than a year after the release of Star Wars. Written by
Alan Dean Foster, a well-known and talented science-fiction author,
Splinter was promoted as a "further adventure" of Luke Skywalker. It
hit the bookstores just as I was preparing to write my own "further
adventure" of Luke, in the form of a script entitled The Empire
Strikes Back.

"It seems only fitting, after all these years, that Splinter would be
republished as I prepare once again to write another further adventure
set a long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away...

<signature given, signed - 'George Lucas'>

Highlighter of Errors · Post by **Highlighter of Errors** » 2002-10-26 01:33pm

Too bad you feel that way.

Your SOTME qoute doesnt contradict that SW:EU is nothing but fantasy in a SW environment.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-26 01:51pm

You have nothing that says it is, OTOH shitloads of stuff says it is not so.
Heck even GL himself disagrees with you.

Ben Harper, of Lucasfilm, Ltd, in Star Wars Gamer #3:
Good question! We have never disavowed the existence of Marvel comics. We have, whenever feasible, included important events and characters from the Marvel comics in our other products. Some of the Marvel storylines before anyone knew what would happen in The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Obviously, in many places, those films contradicted what had happened in the comics. Which ones are more important? The films, of course. However, Lucasfilm recognizes the creativity and diversity within the Marvel comics, and feels that there is a place within the Star Wars universe for non-continuity events. You’ll notice that books recognized as Star Wars canon are marked with Era symbols (so you’ll know where they fall within the Star Wars timeline). The non-continuity books (at this point, the Dark Horse Star Wars Tales and Infinities: A New Hope comics) will soon be marked with a non-continuity symbol. Elements from Marvel which do not tread upon that which has been established in the films, novels, comics, et cetera, are being integrated into official Star Wars canon because we like them, they’re cool, the aliens will be fun to use in the RPG, and, well, we were just feeling a bit nostalgic. After all, it’s been over 20 years!

According to Sue Rostoni, of Lucas Licensing, in Star Wars Gamer #6:
Canon refers to an authoritative list of books that the Lucas Licensing editors consider an authentic part of the official Star Wars history. Our goal is to present a continuous and unified history of the Star Wars galaxy, insofar as that history does not conflict with, or undermine the meaning of Mr. Lucas’s Star Wars saga of films and screenplays.

Comment by the Ubiqtorate:
It is interesting to note that herein canon is defined to include those books which Lucas Licensing considers to be “factual” in Star Wars, insofar as it accurately reflects the films and screenplays of Mr Lucas. This is important, in that it demonstrates that it is the stated policy of Lucas Licensing that items are considered to be part of the official continuous and unified history of Star Wars as long as they are not overruled by the films themselves.

Again, a part of the first quote:
"Fans of the old monthly Marvel Star Wars comic will be heartened to know that LucasBooks does indeed consider them part of continuity. Decades of retrospect haven't been kind to all the elements of the comic series, but the characters and events still hold weight and are referenced in newer material whenever possible"

Dr. Saxtons response:
"The above continuity policy has been reaffirmed very recently in the introductory pages of the STAR WARS Encyclopedia by Stephen J. Sansweet. His terminology includes absolute canon for canon, and quasi-canon for the secondary and lower official material."

Quasi-canon, end of story.

Highlighter of Errors · Post by **Highlighter of Errors** » 2002-10-26 02:09pm

His Divine Shadow wrote: Quasi-canon, end of story.

Could not have said it better myself. I still don't hold the SW:EU at the same level as the movies.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-26 02:18pm

It's not at the same level, it's an hierarchy of levels:

Canon list:
-Movies
-Novellizations
-Scripts
-Radio dramatizations

Quasi-Canon:
-Novels and tech-books
-Comics
-RPG's like WEG and WOTC
-Games

This means they are real but that if a continuity error occurs we know which one to choose over the other(Novel over comic, Movie over script), not a fantasy within the SW universe, books and novels are also checked by a group at Lucasfilm/books.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2002-10-26 02:23pm

Indeed, I was about to post it when you did HDS

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-26 02:36pm

Didn't Mike just FINISH this damn debate?

EU is fine. It gives an expanded NON CANONICAL look at the Star Wars universe. However, NJO is just too much. Yeah, new threat, but damnit, a book every 4 months. It's all done to make them EVEN more money.

Highlighter of Errors · Post by **Highlighter of Errors** » 2002-10-26 02:40pm

Which means they are wortless if the stray ever so far from continuity. I have yet to see much, if any, EU material to achiev full contiuity.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-26 02:52pm

Highlighter of Errors wrote:Which means they are wortless if the stray ever so far from continuity. I have yet to see much, if any, EU material to achiev full contiuity.

Uh, no shit. Continuity cannot be achieved because the EU is not concidered canon. But, there are some very good stories.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-26 02:57pm

Kelly Antilles wrote:Didn't Mike just FINISH this damn debate?

EU is fine. It gives an expanded NON CANONICAL look at the Star Wars universe. However, NJO is just too much. Yeah, new threat, but damnit, a book every 4 months. It's all done to make them EVEN more money.

The later NJO books are great I think, especially the Enemy Lines duology(Zahn level good).

And the operative word here is quasi-canon.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-26 02:59pm

Highlighter of Errors wrote:Which means they are wortless if the stray ever so far from continuity. I have yet to see much, if any, EU material to achiev full contiuity.

A breaking of continuity means a contradiction with the movies or other quasi-canon material.
And usually there are rationalizations that sort them out.

They aren't worthless if they say alot of stuff thats not in the movies.

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-26 03:07pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
The later NJO books are great I think, especially the Enemy Lines duology(Zahn level good).

And the operative word here is quasi-canon.

Yes, but don't you need to have read all the other books to know what the hell is going on?

Ah, yes, that word works better. Thanks.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-26 03:08pm

Kelly Antilles wrote: Yes, but don't you need to have read all the other books to know what the hell is going on?

Sometimes they actually contradict each other.

coughcoughDarkJourneycough

Highlighter of Errors · Post by **Highlighter of Errors** » 2002-10-26 03:12pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Highlighter of Errors wrote:Which means they are wortless if the stray ever so far from continuity. I have yet to see much, if any, EU material to achiev full contiuity.
A breaking of continuity means a contradiction with the movies or other quasi-canon material.
And usually there are rationalizations that sort them out.

They aren't worthless if they say alot of stuff thats not in the movies.

If they contradict the movies in one breath and say stuff that is not in the movies in the next, what does that tell you about the stuff that is not in the movies?

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-26 03:13pm

IG-88E wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote: Yes, but don't you need to have read all the other books to know what the hell is going on?
Sometimes they actually contradict each other.

coughcoughDarkJourneycough

I've read the first 3 books. No more. The Han duology stopped me dead in my tracks. So stupid. I can't read further. I won't read further.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-26 03:14pm

Highlighter of Errors wrote: If they contradict the movies in one breath and say stuff that is not in the movies in the next, what does that tell you about the stuff that is not in the movies?

They fall BELOW the movies, so if they contradict them, they're automatically overruled.

Crazy_Vasey · Post by **Crazy_Vasey** » 2002-10-26 03:18pm

His Divine Shadow wrote: The later NJO books are great I think, especially the Enemy Lines duology(Zahn level good).

Yeah Enemy Lines was good I can agree on that one, only thing I didn't like was Nyax. He really did serve no purpose and was completely over the top.

However I thought Destiny's Way was really, really boring. It just didn't quite click for me.

Highlighter of Errors · Post by **Highlighter of Errors** » 2002-10-26 03:40pm

IG-88E wrote:
Highlighter of Errors wrote: If they contradict the movies in one breath and say stuff that is not in the movies in the next, what does that tell you about the stuff that is not in the movies?
They fall BELOW the movies, so if they contradict them, they're automatically overruled.

Yes? Almost there... Come on now, you can do it!

Kelly Antilles · Post by **Kelly Antilles** » 2002-10-26 03:42pm

Highlighter of Errors wrote:
IG-88E wrote:
Highlighter of Errors wrote: If they contradict the movies in one breath and say stuff that is not in the movies in the next, what does that tell you about the stuff that is not in the movies?
They fall BELOW the movies, so if they contradict them, they're automatically overruled.
Yes? Almost there... Come on now, you can do it!

You're quite the literal fucker, aren't you?

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-26 03:44pm

Highlighter of Errors wrote:Yes? Almost there... Come on now, you can do it!

WTF are you talking about?

Highlighter of Errors · Post by **Highlighter of Errors** » 2002-10-26 03:47pm

For a second it appeared as if you were about to get my point.

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-10-26 03:48pm

Which is that they are worthless? No. They're canon except where the movies overrule them.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-10-26 03:48pm

IG-88E wrote:
Kelly Antilles wrote: Yes, but don't you need to have read all the other books to know what the hell is going on?
Sometimes they actually contradict each other.

coughcoughDarkJourneycough

Where?

StarDestroyer.Net BBS

Do you support/like the EU?

Dos thou support the EU?