Galactic Population?

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-07-10 11:20pm

I'm in a debate over at TF.N concerning the population of the galaxy. Some minimalists think that the galactic population is only in the trillions.

Has there ever been a statement made in any novel or sourcebook as to what the population of the Galactic Republic or Empire was?

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2004-07-11 12:03am

It has to be more than trillions,

im pretty sure that the population of Coruscant is well in the trillions and im certain that in the novel The Crystal Star, when the sun implodes, Luke or somebody remarks that all those trillions of people in that system just died out in a blink of an eye. Then im pretty sure some of the planets populations are named, it been a long time since i read that book

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2004-07-11 12:10am

Just tell the minimalists that there were 395 trillion people killed in the Yhuzzan Vong invasion, and billions, if not trillions killed in the Galactic civil war.

If the population was as low as they think, there wouldn't be anyone left

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2004-07-11 12:14am

Coruscant's population alone is 600/700 trillion, and that's low end. There's also many other city planets among the core worlds just like Coruscant.

Anyway do a search here on galatic population, someone did some calcs for it awhile back.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-11 01:15am

Wild Karrde wrote:Coruscant's population alone is 600/700 trillion, and that's low end. There's also many other city planets among the core worlds just like Coruscant.

Woah woah woah, I think that's actually a gross exageration on your part. I've seen better estimates at around 100 trillion for Coruscant, I believe.

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-07-11 01:22am

Human population? Total sapient population? It's astronomical, the city planets alone go beyond the minimalist estimates. There are also heavily populated normal planets (Chandrilla, Corellia, etc). And the population that lives in deep space colonies is probably huge too.

As far as actual numbers go, that's impossible. It'd have to be around a quadrillion.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2004-07-11 03:25am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Wild Karrde wrote:Coruscant's population alone is 600/700 trillion, and that's low end. There's also many other city planets among the core worlds just like Coruscant.
Woah woah woah, I think that's actually a gross exageration on your part. I've seen better estimates at around 100 trillion for Coruscant, I believe.

Dr. Curtis Saxton wrote:All evidence indicates that the [pre-Dark Empire] surface of Coruscant was entirely covered with city, except for small polar caps and tiny isolated seas. The orbital views in The Phantom Menace show consistent and well-lit urban terrain at essentially all latitudes. Supposing that the cityscape amounts to 90% of the global surface, and assuming that the planet is about the same size as Earth, this means an area of about 460,000,000 km². (This is a miserly, worst-case estimate, since the physical characteristics of Coruscant derived from other sources make it larger than Earth.) The typical population density for suburban areas of modern cities on Earth are of an order of magnitude about 10,000 or 20,000 persons per square kilometre (taking the comfortable Australian city of Perth as an example). (Readers who would prefer a USA example could consider New York county, with a 1999 population of 1,551,844 persons, an area of 28 square miles = 72.5km², and a population density of 21,107 persons/km² after metric conversion. Reputedly the densest urban population centre on Earth, Hong Kong, had 98,000 persons/km² in 1999 and remains less built-up than Coruscant by some orders of magnitude.) If Imperial City were only as heavily populated as the suburbs of Perth then the population would be of the order of nine trillion persons. Of course Imperial city is not inhabited in the same way as Perth. These suburbs consist almost entirely of single-level buildings and generous gardens around each family dwelling; Imperial City is composed of spires averaging two miles tall, with hundreds of floors, and very few residents ever set eyes on the soil of their planet. The population density of Imperial City is certainly at least several hundred times that of Perth. The total population of Coruscant must be at least of the order of several thousand trillion (1,000,000,000,000,000), and certainly no less than several hundred trillion.

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-07-11 03:29am

Ok thanks for the advice. I've tried using the TUF 365 trillion death toll, but they say that it's only "casualties", which includes injuries and such, and are trying to say that it's an inflated estimate. I'll make the search and see if I can find some of those estimates.

Executor · Post by **Executor** » 2004-07-11 04:13am

WEG gave the Old Republic a population of 100 Quadrillion

Darth Raptor · Post by **Darth Raptor** » 2004-07-11 01:31pm

Executor wrote:WEG gave the Old Republic a population of 100 Quadrillion

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2004-07-11 01:48pm

Lazy Raptor wrote:
Executor wrote:WEG gave the Old Republic a population of 100 Quadrillion

I've read somewhere that our solar system alone could support up to 10 quadrillion people during millennia.

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-07-11 01:51pm

100 Quadrillion sounds reasonable. Divided equally in the galaxy, that would give each planet 100 billion inhabitants.

Do you have the quote for that?

Executor · Post by **Executor** » 2004-07-11 01:57pm

President Sharky wrote:100 Quadrillion sounds reasonable. Divided equally in the galaxy, that would give each planet 100 billion inhabitants.

Do you have the quote for that?

'Reaching out from what came to be known as the Core Worlds, the republic eventully embraced over a million member worlds, and countless more colonies, protectorates and governorships. Nearly 100 quadrillion beings pledged allegiance to the Republic in nearly fifty million systems.'

WEG Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-07-11 02:01pm

Ah, thank you.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-07-11 02:22pm

President Sharky wrote:100 Quadrillion sounds reasonable. Divided equally in the galaxy, that would give each planet 100 billion inhabitants.

1e15/1e6 = 1 billion persons per world?

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-07-11 07:39pm

1e15 = 1 Quadrillion.

1e17 = 100 Quadrillion

1e17/1e6 = 100,000,000,000

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-07-11 08:49pm

And that's if you average it out per world.

There are probably lots worlds with low populations like Earth (Alderan comes to mind, they were supposed to be extremely environmentally friendly), and dozens of city-worlds like Coruscant.

Also, that's just the Old Republic. 1 million worlds out of 20 million inhabited worlds (Han Solo qoute, Dark Empire).

If you assumed that 10 billion (twice earth) was the average, the total galactic population in a galaxy of would be 200,000,000,000,000,000

I personally think the total galactic civilization is about 3 - 4 times that

Executor · Post by **Executor** » 2004-07-11 09:42pm

Solauren wrote:And that's if you average it out per world.

There are probably lots worlds with low populations like Earth (Alderan comes to mind, they were supposed to be extremely environmentally friendly), and dozens of city-worlds like Coruscant.

Also, that's just the Old Republic. 1 million worlds out of 20 million inhabited worlds (Han Solo qoute, Dark Empire).

If you assumed that 10 billion (twice earth) was the average, the total galactic population in a galaxy of would be 200,000,000,000,000,000

I personally think the total galactic civilization is about 3 - 4 times that

No the old republic is 50 million inhabited systems and a million member worlds

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-07-11 10:42pm

Executor is correct, OR was just as large as the GE.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-07-11 11:57pm

Ah.

In that case,the population goes up even more

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-07-12 12:27am

President Sharky wrote:1e15 = 1 Quadrillion.

1e17 = 100 Quadrillion

1e17/1e6 = 100,000,000,000

Good Lord, my brain must be fried from staring at the computer screen today. That's not the first stupid mistake i've made ...

Executor · Post by **Executor** » 2004-07-12 02:32pm

President Sharky wrote:Executor is correct, OR was just as large as the GE.

I would actually say the GE is larger since it is known that it conquers planets, the OR in The Phantom Menace never had tattooine as part of it (yes its not that an important planet) I wonder how far the republic went into the outer rim of the Galaxy, I see membership to the OR as by invitation or application s opposed to the GE ways.

Id say the numbers for systems is higher, not a great deal but higher, I think 100 quadrillion seems very low for a galactic population 100 quintrillion would prob be better unless WEG meant 1e26 not 1e17.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-07-12 03:17pm

Executor wrote:I would actually say the GE is larger since it is known that it conquers planets, the OR in The Phantom Menace never had tattooine as part of it (yes its not that an important planet) I wonder how far the republic went into the outer rim of the Galaxy, I see membership to the OR as by invitation or application s opposed to the GE ways.

IIRC, the GE expanded the OR's territories by thousands of sectors, though they're probably sparsely populated compared to the rest of the former OR territory.

Executor · Post by **Executor** » 2004-07-12 05:11pm

phongn wrote:
Executor wrote:I would actually say the GE is larger since it is known that it conquers planets, the OR in The Phantom Menace never had tattooine as part of it (yes its not that an important planet) I wonder how far the republic went into the outer rim of the Galaxy, I see membership to the OR as by invitation or application s opposed to the GE ways.
IIRC, the GE expanded the OR's territories by thousands of sectors, though they're probably sparsely populated compared to the rest of the former OR territory.

If we go by the 'thousands of sector fleets the emperor has under his control'
stated in the Imperial Sourcebook (and having each one for a sector) and compare it to the 1024 from the senate seats in Ep1 then they did expand by thousands.

However it could also mean that the Empire reoragnised sectors so they were smaller, which would be a big task (think of the paperwork

), I could see the GE taking over the entire Outer rim, maybe another couple hundred sectors and maybe reorganising some sectors, to give them a more comformal amount of systems.

I agree what ever systems and sectors added to the GE wouldnt have any significant population in relation to the Core worlds.

I still think the 1e17 figure is too low, if Coruscant maybe has 100's of Trillions, and theres supposed to be more populous planets then coruscant, youd only need a thousand similar or a few 10's thousands of planets to have the entire galactic population.