Coolest smuggler ship : Ebon Hawk vs Millenium Falcon

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2004-07-17 11:44am

Which one would you rather own ? The famous Millenium Falcon or the magnificent Ebon Hawk ? Given the technological stasis in the SW universe, I don't think 4,000 years make a big difference as far as technological sophistication is concerned ( or at least, nothing that a bit of upgrading could not solve )...

I , myself, would gladly pilot the Ebon Hawk across the Galaxy... she has a lot of room ( I wonder where the power core is, there are only the two engines and the hyperdrive generator in the engineering section ), a dedicated sickbay, can hold swoop bikes, and even features a cookery

... the SW.com databank mentions only her dual turret, but I'm sure the two big thingies on each side of the baby are turbolasers as well ( not finished KOTOR yet, so please don't spoil... ). And who knows what other weapons she has... And of course, her cockpit's in her middle axis, making her much simpler to pilot IMHO...

So, which one would be your first choice ?

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-07-17 12:42pm

The point of smuggling is not to attract attention to yourself. There are millions of YT-1300s in the galaxy, including ones that have really wierd modifications. There is nothing like the Ebon Hawk in the galaxy. Sure, there are ships in similar style, like the fighter on the top of the temple (see, no spoilers), but there is no other ship in it's class. Which would make it stick out in a lawman's memory. Which is bad.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-07-17 01:09pm

I voted the Falcon, just because she was my first love. The Hawk is cool, and a good piece of design (unusual in the EU).

Though I'd still take the YT2000 over both of em.

The Nomad · Post by **The Nomad** » 2004-07-17 01:54pm

YT3000 => you don't have to use it exclusively as a smuggling ship... after all, the Falcon was used as a warship, wasn't she

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Knife => well, I might make a thread including other smuggling ships later... but right now I'm just playing KOTOR so nah

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The Kernel · Post by **The Kernel** » 2004-07-17 05:21pm

I'd have to say the Ebon Hawk, it's just a cool, sleek machine compared to the rather unattractive Falcon.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-07-17 05:35pm

The Kernel wrote:I'd have to say the Ebon Hawk, it's just a cool, sleek machine compared to the rather unattractive Falcon.

That's funny, I would argue exactly the opposite- Falcon, as opposed to the rather unattractive Ebon Hawk...

@YT-300000: The information that the EH is one-of-a-kind comes from where?

Soontir C'boath · Post by **Soontir C'boath** » 2004-07-17 06:34pm

Millenium Falcon takes my heart away.

The Ebon Hawk looks like an A-Wing's engines were slapped on it.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-17 07:11pm

I think the Ebon Hawk is ugly as sin.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2004-07-17 07:18pm

Not to mention that they totally fucked up the length. There's no way that you could fit all that stuff into a 24-meter-long ship...

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-07-17 08:09pm

Knife => well, I might make a thread including other smuggling ships later... but right now I'm just playing KOTOR so nah .

Don't get me wrong. Like I said, as EU designs go, the Ebon is awsome. Though I don't get why they left a gap on the port side between the command coupala and the outer edge of the saucer? On the starboard side, its the same area that has the ramp, but on the port, its non exsistent and that seems wierd if not symetrical.

They did do a good job with it though.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-17 08:28pm

Knife wrote:Don't get me wrong. Like I said, as EU designs go, the Ebon is awsome. Though I don't get why they left a gap on the port side between the command coupala and the outer edge of the saucer? On the starboard side, its the same area that has the ramp, but on the port, its non exsistent and that seems wierd if not symetrical.

If it was designed as a freighter, the Hawk's "gap" might have been intended to secure external cargo modules that couldn't fit inside the ship.

Bob Brown theorized the same thing for the Falcon, that the mandibles could be used to hold large cargo containers in place and that's why the cockpit was offset to the side.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-07-17 08:41pm

Batman wrote:@YT-300000: The information that the EH is one-of-a-kind comes from where?

Starwars.com wrote:It's not exactly clear where Davik acquired the Ebon Hawk. The primary systems were modified so many times that the original classification and even the company that built it were hard to determine. It's possible the ship was a developmental prototype from some showroom floor, cobbled together from several different models. Key components are obvious retrofits, from the stolen navigational computers to the uncommonly powerful hyperdrive. A number of smuggler-specific customizations have been made as well, though only Davik knew where or how to access them all.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-07-17 08:59pm

YT300000 wrote:
Batman wrote:@YT-300000: The information that the EH is one-of-a-kind comes from where?

Starwars.com wrote:It's not exactly clear where Davik acquired the Ebon Hawk. The primary systems were modified so many times that the original classification and even the company that built it were hard to determine. It's possible the ship was a developmental prototype from some showroom floor, cobbled together from several different models. Key components are obvious retrofits, from the stolen navigational computers to the uncommonly powerful hyperdrive. A number of smuggler-specific customizations have been made as well, though only Davik knew where or how to access them all.

Except for the origin all of that applies to the Falcon, too.
No mention of the design being unique, merely that it's been heavily modified.

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2004-07-17 09:07pm

Batman wrote: Except for the origin all of that applies to the Falcon, too.
No mention of the design being unique, merely that it's been heavily modified.

t's possible the ship was a developmental prototype from some showroom floor, cobbled together from several different models.

this not unique?

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-07-17 09:11pm

Lord Revan wrote:[
t's possible the ship was a developmental prototype from some showroom floor, cobbled together from several different models.
this not unique?

1. 'Possibly' a prototype.
2. Not unique in a way that neccessarily stands out like a sore thumb, no.
For all we know the overall design was common as mud at the time.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-07-17 09:14pm

I vote for the Millennium Falcon, because it's just damn better.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-07-17 09:51pm

Batman wrote:
YT300000 wrote:
Batman wrote:@YT-300000: The information that the EH is one-of-a-kind comes from where?

Starwars.com wrote:It's not exactly clear where Davik acquired the Ebon Hawk. The primary systems were modified so many times that the original classification and even the company that built it were hard to determine. It's possible the ship was a developmental prototype from some showroom floor, cobbled together from several different models. Key components are obvious retrofits, from the stolen navigational computers to the uncommonly powerful hyperdrive. A number of smuggler-specific customizations have been made as well, though only Davik knew where or how to access them all.
Except for the origin all of that applies to the Falcon, too.
No mention of the design being unique, merely that it's been heavily modified.

No it don't. AotC's shows two YT1300's on Naboo that look pretty much like the Falcon (just missing the large radar dish) so the Falcon wasn't modified beyond class reconition.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-07-18 06:57am

The fastest hunk of junk in the galaxy vs a reject Bentusi mother ship? Falcon is superior, particulariy the NJO jet black version.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-07-18 10:31am

Galvatron wrote: If it was designed as a freighter, the Hawk's "gap" might have been intended to secure external cargo modules that couldn't fit inside the ship.

Bob Brown theorized the same thing for the Falcon, that the mandibles could be used to hold large cargo containers in place and that's why the cockpit was offset to the side.

I've never bought into that theory. Perahps a snap on module but not a 'train' of cargo. If anything, the sheer manuverability of SW light freighters seen would make flying with a train of modules extremely difficult. You'd loose alot of $ by bumping your joystick and snapping the cargo module 'train' in half.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-07-18 12:15pm

I vote for the Millenium Falcon. It looks much cooler.

Spice Runner · Post by **Spice Runner** » 2004-07-18 02:13pm

I would rather pilot the millenium falcon. It looks a lot better.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-07-18 08:01pm

Batman wrote:
Lord Revan wrote:[
t's possible the ship was a developmental prototype from some showroom floor, cobbled together from several different models.
this not unique?
1. 'Possibly' a prototype.
2. Not unique in a way that neccessarily stands out like a sore thumb, no.
For all we know the overall design was common as mud at the time.

No it wasn't. The exerpt says it was modified so much that the original class is unrecognizable. If you don't know what it looks like, and you've never seen anything like it, you will remember it.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-07-18 08:03pm

Knife wrote:I've never bought into that theory. Perahps a snap on module but not a 'train' of cargo. If anything, the sheer manuverability of SW light freighters seen would make flying with a train of modules extremely difficult. You'd loose alot of $ by bumping your joystick and snapping the cargo module 'train' in half.

It doesn't have to be a train, but I see nothing wrong with the idea. Hell, the Nebulon-B looks pretty flimsy too.

Allbran_Sustain · Post by **Allbran_Sustain** » 2004-07-18 09:04pm

Luke skywalker said the Falcon was a piece of junk. Who are we to argue with a jedi. If luke said it was shit, then the falcon is shit. I agree with him.

The Ebon also seems to have more room and is considered to be something special and it was owned by a rich man (its like some sort of sports car).

Ebon gets my vote.

Batman · Post by **Batman** » 2004-07-18 09:15pm

Allbran_Sustain wrote:Luke skywalker said the Falcon was a piece of junk. Who are we to argue with a jedi. If luke said it was shit, then the falcon is shit. I agree with him.

Luke also said 'I can't see a thing in this helmet' which was obviously hyperbole, and he had more relevant information then (he was actually wearing the helmet wheras the 'piece of junk comment' was a first impressin based solely on visuals we KNOW to be intentionally decieving).

The Ebon also seems to have more room

Which is an inherent advantage why?

and is considered to be something special

And the Falcon is NOT?

and it was owned by a rich man (its like some sort of sports car).

So was the Falcon, at least two actually:
Lando was, if intermittendly, rich, ocasionally filthy rich
Han at one point owned an entire planet

Ebon gets my vote.

Fine.Less contestants for the Falcon.