Jedi Knight II

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-10-28 05:29pm

SPOOFE wrote:I'd like to see another SW FPS that doesn't utilize Force Powers, personally. There's plenty of stuff in the SW galaxy to play around with without having to make the main character a Jedi... not that I'm knocking it, I just wanna see more technotoys thrown into the mix... I mean, really, how many people used the lightsaber less than 90% of the time after they first got it? The only other guns you probably used was either the sniper rifle or one of the heavy guns to take down an AT-ST.

Well, in multiplayer, I can find uses for each and every one of the guns in the game.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2002-10-28 05:31pm

Hotfoot wrote:
SPOOFE wrote:I'd like to see another SW FPS that doesn't utilize Force Powers, personally. There's plenty of stuff in the SW galaxy to play around with without having to make the main character a Jedi... not that I'm knocking it, I just wanna see more technotoys thrown into the mix... I mean, really, how many people used the lightsaber less than 90% of the time after they first got it? The only other guns you probably used was either the sniper rifle or one of the heavy guns to take down an AT-ST.
Well, in multiplayer, I can find uses for each and every one of the guns in the game.

Eww, I hate multiplayer Jedi Outcast with guns. Saber-only all the way.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-10-28 05:48pm

Durran Korr wrote:
Hotfoot wrote:
SPOOFE wrote:I'd like to see another SW FPS that doesn't utilize Force Powers, personally. There's plenty of stuff in the SW galaxy to play around with without having to make the main character a Jedi... not that I'm knocking it, I just wanna see more technotoys thrown into the mix... I mean, really, how many people used the lightsaber less than 90% of the time after they first got it? The only other guns you probably used was either the sniper rifle or one of the heavy guns to take down an AT-ST.
Well, in multiplayer, I can find uses for each and every one of the guns in the game.
Eww, I hate multiplayer Jedi Outcast with guns. Saber-only all the way.

Arrogant Jedi. And you wonder why you are all but extinct. Sabers are for the most part melee weapons. You have ranged ones for a reason.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2002-10-28 06:47pm

Evil Sadistic Bastard: Don't get me wrong. I'm a proud championer of the Rostoni "Everything else is canon" quote. Canon Completist all the way here. Damn the Purists.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-10-28 06:50pm

neoolong wrote:
Durran Korr wrote:
Hotfoot wrote: Well, in multiplayer, I can find uses for each and every one of the guns in the game.
Eww, I hate multiplayer Jedi Outcast with guns. Saber-only all the way.
Arrogant Jedi. And you wonder why you are all but extinct. Sabers are for the most part melee weapons. You have ranged ones for a reason.

Agreed. Sabers have their uses, but a true Jedi know when to use the other tools at his disposal. I for one enjoy taking two or more people who like to gang up on one person with sabers for a little joyride. Get them to follow me, make a fighting retreat to specific location and then, when they are in position, blowing the detpacks I had lined all over the walls and floor, as it's just one easy flick of the scrollwheel on my mouse.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-10-28 07:11pm

For the record, ignoring the power levels in JK 1 & 2, there are far, far better reasons to hate Kyle Katarn.

In Dark Forces 1, he defeats Boba Fett. Hands Boba "Nobody escapes me" Fett his ass on a silver platter. He also beats the crap out of dozens of various Dark Trooper droids, and single-handedly destroys the Dark Trooper project (curiously enough, he is absent from Star Wars: Rebellion, despite the fact that they use Dark Troopers in that game. Ah well). But even this I can forgive. For you see, I liked Kyle Katarn. He was a badass. A hardbitten Merc with the stereotypical heart of gold, even though he didn't often let it show. He was "cool".

Then comes JK:DF2. Kyle goes from being a badass merc who you just don't want to mess with to a flower-hugging hippy Jedi. Now there's nothing wrong with him becoming a Jedi, much less a good Jedi, but there's no more badass-itude. In his journey to the Light Side of the force, Kyle Katarn lost his balls.

This, I think is fixed somewhat in JK2. Kyle struggles with the Dark Side, his emotions cloud his judgement, and he doesn't take no shit from nobody. Then he mellows out a bit towards the end, but he still doesn't do a complete reversal of personality like in JK:DF2. In the end of JK2:JO, I was actually pleased at the way the story turned out, even if the power levels involved were completely ridiculous.

I think that as far as the games were concerned, they embellished the storylines quite a bit for the benefit of the player. The only way I see Jerec being as powerful as Darth Vader is after he's already begun absorbing the Essense of the Valley of the Jedi.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-29 09:13am

the thing i really hated about JK:II was the kissing scenes with Jan. You can tell these guys never kissed a girl in their lives. Ok i put my head next to yours and shake it side to side. it would have been better if the cut scenes were CGI. Also where did the blue saber come from, if you follow events it should be a yellow saber

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-10-29 03:09pm

Muad'Dib wrote:the thing i really hated about JK:II was the kissing scenes with Jan. You can tell these guys never kissed a girl in their lives. Ok i put my head next to yours and shake it side to side. it would have been better if the cut scenes were CGI. Also where did the blue saber come from, if you follow events it should be a yellow saber

Between JK:DF2 and MotS he built his own saber, discarding the one he stole from a Dark Jedi in JK:DF2. IIRC, that saber was blue.

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-10-29 03:11pm

Muad'Dib wrote:the thing i really hated about JK:II was the kissing scenes with Jan. You can tell these guys never kissed a girl in their lives. Ok i put my head next to yours and shake it side to side. it would have been better if the cut scenes were CGI. Also where did the blue saber come from, if you follow events it should be a yellow saber

Between JK:DF2 and MotS he built his own saber, discarding the one he stole from a Dark Jedi in JK:DF2. IIRC, that saber was blue.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-10-29 05:24pm

posibly, but do my other points stand?

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2002-10-29 05:30pm

Muad'Dib wrote:posibly, but do my other points stand?

As per the kissing? Dunno, I'd have to watch the movies again. I'll agree that the acting in the movies was cheesy as Wisconsin Cheddar, however.