Acclamator and other Clone Wars ships

Post by **Vympel** » 2004-08-30 11:45am

Assuming that the oldest Clone War vessels entered service a mere 21 years before A New Hope, and that the average service life (with upgrades) of a major combatant naval vessel in real life, of practically any navy you care to name, is 30-35 years, would it be true to say that Acclamator's and the vessels will see in Episode III will still be in widespread service in the Imperial era? Do we have service life information for SW ships?

The only thing I can think of is the Rand Ecliptic, the ship Biggs Darklighter abandoned when he made for the Rebels, which is definitely an Acclamator variant, but we have no idea when it was put into production (perhaps its a conversion?). I can't remember the details of the Victory-class.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-30 12:12pm

The Rand Ecliptic was an Acclamator variant?

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-08-30 12:14pm

Well, this is in a way connected to one of my thoughts about the Imperial military, which I will present in a post later (it's still in its formative stages). I believe that these ships were moved from frontline service and was sent to remote regions of the Empire (such as the Outer Rim). Perhaps some were sold to the Cooperate Sector along with the Victory class Star Destroyers while others were placed in mothballs (as reserves) or scrapped.
For maximum effect in the more civilized regions of the Empire, Imperator class Star Destroyers would be needed to hold systems in line.

EDIT: Yes, Rogue 9. Check out on Dr. Saxton's Warships of the Empire page:
+http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#rand

and this external picture:
+http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/comics ... iptic1.jpg

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-08-30 12:26pm

Mange the Swede wrote:EDIT: Yes, Rogue 9. Check out on Dr. Saxton's Warships of the Empire page:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#rand

and this external picture:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/comics ... iptic1.jpg

Yeah. You know, you don't need to break links to the SWTC.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-08-30 02:27pm

I posted this on the SW vs. ST forum some months ago, can´t hurt to post it here as well:

Three Acclamators at an Imperial parade on Anaxes:

http://www.wizards.com/starwars/images/ccw/48929_CN.jpg

And while this is slighty off-topic, the OS now links the AT-TE walker with the Republic and the Empire. (Since I can´t remember ever seeing the Empire affiliated with it before, I´m assuming it´s recently been put in there...) ^__^

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-08-30 02:36pm

Star Wars: Empire has shown AT-TE variants in service with the Imperial Marines (because the authors seem incapable of reading any part of the WEG Sourcebooks EXCEPT the bullshit stats).

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-08-30 03:08pm

because the authors seem incapable of reading any part of the WEG Sourcebooks EXCEPT the bullshit stats

LOL

Seriously, the AT-TE is a good design, no sense in throwing it away.

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-08-30 04:25pm

Rogue 9 wrote:
Mange the Swede wrote:EDIT: Yes, Rogue 9. Check out on Dr. Saxton's Warships of the Empire page:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/dagger.html#rand

and this external picture:
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/comics ... iptic1.jpg
Yeah. You know, you don't need to break links to the SWTC.

Yeah, it's that habit again. I guess I'm a regular link-breaker.

VT-16, I really liked that picture, but are you sure they're Acclamators?

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-08-30 04:41pm

The fins on each side of the pic belongs to an Acclamator-like ship, at least. The one in the middle is said to be something else (an Executor-class ship or something), but that´s rediculous, since it looks pretty much like an Acclamator (or a variant) to me. :/

The thread were this discussion took place, was called "Episode III and it´s impact on vs. debate" or something. I´ll look it up again.

EDIT: Yep, the people who have the book "Coruscant and the Core Worlds" said in the other thread that the ship in the middle is supposed to be a SSD. Lame.

Still doesn´t explain the two on each side, though. ^^

Mange · Post by **Mange** » 2004-08-30 05:30pm

I agree, it doesn't look like a SSD.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2004-09-03 10:58pm

Imperial Marines? You mean, like, Stormtroopers right? Or those black-uniformed guys? Not something they made up?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-09-03 11:39pm

The Imperial Marines are synonymous with the Stormtroopers according to Pax Emperica - The Wookiee Annhiliation.

I am willing to bet the Acclamator-class trans-galactic military transport is still in service.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-09-04 01:10am

In that case, what are naval troopers for then?

(Dark-shirt, helmeted guys in DS and ROTJ bunker.)

President Sharky · Post by **President Sharky** » 2004-09-04 01:41am

Exactly, PainRack.

BTW, the Coruscant and the Core Worlds section on Anaxes only indicates that the Executor-class Star Dreadnought Whelm is the command ship of Azure Hammer Command. The actual picture of an Imperial parade at the Anaxes citadel does not specify if the Whelm is flying overhead. Indeed, a SSD is said to not be able to enter an atmosphere under normal cicumstances, and the idea of it flying overhead at a simple parade is absurd. It is obvious that an Acclamator-class ship or variant is doing the flyby over the parade.

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-09-04 06:37am

Slight derail here: what are those two blimp-like ships on each side of the Acclamator?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2004-09-04 06:42am

President Sharky wrote:Exactly, PainRack.

BTW, the Coruscant and the Core Worlds section on Anaxes only indicates that the Executor-class Star Dreadnought Whelm is the command ship of Azure Hammer Command. The actual picture of an Imperial parade at the Anaxes citadel does not specify if the Whelm is flying overhead. Indeed, a SSD is said to not be able to enter an atmosphere under normal cicumstances, and the idea of it flying overhead at a simple parade is absurd. It is obvious that an Acclamator-class ship or variant is doing the flyby over the parade.

Tell that to Ysanne Isard and her Lusanka(sp)

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2004-09-04 06:57am

under normal cicumstances

That thing blasted off from the ground, didn´t it?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-09-04 10:18am

HIMS Lusankya had a custom-built repulsorlift bed constructed for it.

FTeik · Post by **FTeik** » 2004-09-04 08:38pm

Wasn´t the Executor going to land on a planet somewhere in Marvel?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-09-04 09:52pm

FTeik wrote:Wasn´t the Executor going to land on a planet somewhere in Marvel?

Yes, Marvel #63 according to SWTC. I also believe that ISD's are supposed to be unable to "land" on planets, yet they are known to have repulsorlifts (as is the Death STar). In fact, its rather difficult to believe a ship does NOT carry them as they are designed to assist in manuvering in proximity to a planet.

The Acclamator can land largely because its shape is designed for it and it has landing gear (although most of the bulk of the ship is supported by repuslor fields, not the landing gear itself.) The same cannot be said of the Executor or an ISD (whose shape seems to be ill-suited to planetary landings in normal conditions - neither ship is known to carry any sort of "landing gear" for example.) Landings might also have unpleasant side effect\s on more sensitive components (like guns, sensor gear, or communications stuff... to say nothing of say, the hangars on the undersides of said ships.)

For that matter, their unsuitability in landing could very well be due to the unpleasant effects ships of that size might have on a planet were they to get very close to it (the 2nd Death Star was, for example, was held above Endor via repulsor, and it definitely had nasty side effects on the moon.. and it was thousands of kilometers away.) Add to the fact of ion engine emissions and that the power plants of such ships are comparable to stellar-scale outputs, and one can see why it would be undesirable to land such ships.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2004-09-04 09:54pm

Vympel wrote:Assuming that the oldest Clone War vessels entered service a mere 21 years before A New Hope, and that the average service life (with upgrades) of a major combatant naval vessel in real life, of practically any navy you care to name, is 30-35 years, would it be true to say that Acclamator's and the vessels will see in Episode III will still be in widespread service in the Imperial era? Do we have service life information for SW ships?

The only thing I can think of is the Rand Ecliptic, the ship Biggs Darklighter abandoned when he made for the Rebels, which is definitely an Acclamator variant, but we have no idea when it was put into production (perhaps its a conversion?). I can't remember the details of the Victory-class.

Given the glacial/nonexistent level of echnological progress in the SW galaxy (depending on who you ask, I suppose) and the fact that centuries or even millenia-old starships are still in service in varying parts of the galaxy (Invincible class Heavy cruisers, Dreadnaught heavy cruisers, etc.) its quite reasonable for Acclamators to be in use still. The only factor in such would be the state of maintanence or repair of such ships. A well-maintained ship could easily still be in servicec.

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-09-05 10:06pm

In the overall context of the GFFA, I'd think the Acclamator-class would still be considered "brand new" during the OT's timeframe.

Frankly, I was hoping we'd see X-wings and ISDs in the prequels if only to put to rest this long-running brainbug that they must be new just because we first see them in the OT...

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