Imperial Personel Questions

[Zor]

Few Questions

1, I heard the Empire was sort of male Biased, is this true?
2, Did they let Females into the Imperial Navy/Army/whatever
3, Did any Stormies or Imperial Forces simply give up or defect when the New Republic came on the seen?
4, I read that Imperial Stormies could not be bribed, Sedused or whatever, is this due to mind control or some sort of Propaganda?
5, What sort of Driod suport do imperial warships have?

[IRG CommandoJoe]

Few Questions

1, I heard the Empire was sort of male Biased, is this true?

In the movies, yes. In the EU...not as bad.

2, Did they let Females into the Imperial Navy/Army/whatever

Yes. Daala, Issard, Mara Jade, and a few others I can't think of right now.

3, Did any Stormies or Imperial Forces simply give up or defect when the New Republic came on the seen?

I know the two brothers in Force Commander defected. Baron Fel Soontir defected twice from each side, I think. Some Stormtrooper named Devon....something defected I think. Crix Madine used to be an Imperial and then defected to the Rebels. There were plenty more. I guess you can even consider Biggs, Wedge, and Han defectors since they were all trained at the Imperial Academy.

4, I read that Imperial Stormies could not be bribed, Sedused or whatever, is this due to mind control or some sort of Propaganda?

(Shrugs.)

5, What sort of Driod suport do imperial warships have?

(Shrugs.)

[Spanky The Dolphin]

4, I read that Imperial Stormies could not be bribed, Sedused or whatever, is this due to mind control or some sort of Propaganda?

(Shrugs.)

It's true, and due to conditioning and training. Imperial Stormtroopers swear total and absolute loyalty to the Emperor.

[Illuminatus Primus]

For all basic purposes, its true. And since 40+% of the Stormtroopers were clones and had significant conditioning and manipulation, its backed-up.

There are always defects, though: Imperial Soveriegn Protector Carnor Jax joined the cabal which ultimately caused Palpatine's final downfall.

[Chris OFarrell]

Few Questions

1, I heard the Empire was sort of male Biased, is this true?

Quite. There were some exceptions, but by some I mean 'Some'. After the Emperor died, the Empire did open up a bit more. One of the few good things Dalla did when she consolidated the Warlords together was to make it far more even. Pealleon maintained this policy.

2, Did they let Females into the Imperial Navy/Army/whatever

Yes but again few tried. Dalla (apparently) was a highly inovative tactican, besting her male classmates again and again on Cadria. Yet she never got promoted or acknowledged.

In the end she made an online persona and defeated people all over the planet again and again in wargames. Tarken became interested in this tactican and went to investigate, uncovering Dalla. He assigned her to his personal staff and took her to the outer rim with him. He was one of the few who could go against the Emperors general policies like that.

Of course then they become Lovers, which led more then a few to think thats the only reason she got promoted to Admiral. Of course the one person to be heard muttering this out loud died in a way that would have made Vader proud. But Dalla's brains went to mush after she got assigned to the Maw anyway. She is very much an exception. No other female at the height or decline of the Empire reached that rank.

3, Did any Stormies or Imperial Forces simply give up or defect when the New Republic came on the seen?

Stormies, REAL stormies didn't defect. Programed to the loyal from their birth to service, they never deviated. Dito the ones Thrawn cloned. The more conventional Stormtroopers recruited and trained were also very hard to turn simply because they are so brainwashed.

As for the line forces, there were quite a few defections yes. Not massive amounts. A lot of the line forces simply went over to the NR when they took over their area of space. The Republic kept them on to defend their space and maintain order with new uniforms under a new flag (though also with a lot of the crew swapped).

4, I read that Imperial Stormies could not be bribed, Sedused or whatever, is this due to mind control or some sort of Propaganda?

Again, the clones no. The real elites, no. The 'Stormtroopers' who were just troops dressed up in the armour? They could be seduced.

5, What sort of Driod suport do imperial warships have?

MSE Mouse Droids (the one Chewie roared at in ANH) is the main service droid. They also have a different varity of droids. As well as the combat specalised ones.

[Publius]

But Dalla's brains went to mush after she got assigned to the Maw anyway. She is very much an exception. No other female at the height or decline of the Empire reached that rank.

So one may assume that you are disregarding ADM Betl Oxtroe, who was able to open tentative negotiations in good faith with the New Republic regarding the creation of a parliamentary monarchy, three years after the Battle of Endor?

[Imperial Overlord]

Never heard of her (not that I read all the EU. How can you blame me with Mike Stackpole and KJA?) That's probably true for Chris as well. Daala has fairly high profile(as far as readers are concerned, as opossed to in universe.)

[Chris OFarrell]

But Dalla's brains went to mush after she got assigned to the Maw anyway. She is very much an exception. No other female at the height or decline of the Empire reached that rank.

So one may assume that you are disregarding ADM Betl Oxtroe, who was able to open tentative negotiations in good faith with the New Republic regarding the creation of a parliamentary monarchy, three years after the Battle of Endor?

I don't have the first clue who the heck your talking about. I have read most of the EU, some kind of minor character I'm guessing given that she never appeared in the mainstream...

[Lusankya]

Yes. Daala, Issard, Mara Jade, and a few others I can't think of right now.

Techically speaking Mara wasn't in the Imperial Combined Armed Forces... and when you consider that Palpatine's first apprentice (that we see) wasn't human, you begin to wonder if he actually held the anti-non white male bias that permeated the empire in his reign.

Yes but again few tried. Dalla (apparently) was a highly inovative tactican, besting her male classmates again and again on Cadria. Yet she never got promoted or acknowledged.

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Daala was full of crap. She lead 3 raids and lost all of her ships in the process. The only thing she did that even vaguely impressed me was killing all of the fighting imperial officers. Personally I think the whole "Daala campaign" would have been done better if Pellaeon had been in control. At least he had enough sense to retreat anytime he didn't think the risks of a campaign outweighed the potential benefits.

Of course, I've been quite taken with Pellaeon ever since his unique act of bravery in the Hand of Thrawn. He deserves a medal for that, in fact, when I'm Empress, I'll make him a Grand Duke.

[Old Plympto]

5, What sort of Driod suport do imperial warships have?

Apart from the MSEs mentioned earlier by ChrisOFarrell, we've seen the transparent-domed R3 astromech units, RA-7 protocol droids (the so-called Death Star Droids), Arakyd Viper probe droids. Not sure if the IT-0 interrogators are part of the ship's crew, or from some other arm of the military / intelligence called upon by Vader to work on Leia.

I'm sure there are more droids in the EU I'm not aware of.

[Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman]

Few Questions

1, I heard the Empire was sort of male Biased, is this true?

In the EU, yes (Dalaa), and also there are lot of EU materials saying so. Of course it could be Rebel propaganda...

In the movie, I don't think we can reach anytyhing conclusive. The fact that we never seen any women in the Imperial military (Navy, Stormies, etc) doesn't automatically imply that Empire was male-biased.

I mean, even in the real world army, how much is the probability we see women in the military, especially in the field (except maybe in some rag-tag guerilla forces), and even if we seen some, how many are they compared to male personnell?

Even if the Empire was male-biased, I don't think it was *worse* than any military in the real-world. I mean, how many women you usually seen in the Navy Seals? Does it mean the Navy Seals are male-biased? Probably. Maybe slightly. Still, we cannot conclude whether the Empire is more male-biased than that.

[Executor32]

Three years after the Battle of Endor, Imperial Admiral Betl Oxtroe began making secret overtures to members of the New Republic to negotiate the creation of a parliamentary monarchy. She proposed Ederlathh Pallopides, a remote grandniece of Palpatine, as heir. The Republic's Provisional Council would have replaced the Imperial Advisors in exchange for amnesty for the military. The first round of talks had just begun when the Admiral fell to an assassin's blade, presumably wielded by Noghri, and the plan was forgotten.

Info from the Dark Empire sourcebook.

[Crazedwraith]

3, Did any Stormies or Imperial Forces simply give up or defect when the New Republic came on the seen?

I know the two brothers in Force Commander defected. Baron Fel Soontir defected twice from each side, I think. Some Stormtrooper named Devon....something defected I think. Crix Madine used to be an Imperial and then defected to the Rebels. There were plenty more. I guess you can even consider Biggs, Wedge, and Han defectors since they were all trained at the Imperial Academy.

Wedge never went to the Imperial Acedemay. He turned to smuggling after pirates blew his parents up
and from their went to the rebellion.

[Publius]

1, I heard the Empire was sort of male Biased, is this true?

There does appear to be a general trend toward male dominance within the Galactic Empire, although this is not especially surprising, as most authoritarian regimes have traditionally been male-dominated. The important question is not whether or not the Empire was biased, but in what way that bias manifested itself and affected persons of the disfavored groups.

There are in fact several examples of female service members and officials whose careers and influence indicate that, if there was indeed an institutional bias against females in the Galactic Empire, it was not as pervasive and monolithic as some parties would have one believe. Among the most striking examples are Ysanne Isard, Director of Imperial Intelligence (Rogue Squadron) and Imperial advisor Adana Vermor (Tapani Sector Instant Adventures); the Emperor's courtiers aboard the second Death Star included "easy, violent men and women, lusting to be tampered with," according to the Return of the Jedi novelization (note that many of these advisors were actually dark side adepts, and the Imperial Sourcebook implies that the Emperor's advisors elect the Moff Governors).

There are also a number of female Imperial Senatrices, such as Mon Mothma and Canna Omonda of Chandrila (Return of the Jedi, Coruscant and the Core Worlds), the Princess Leia of Alderaan (A New Hope), Canny Mandary Bertar of Mrlsst (Coruscant and the Core Worlds),

Other prominently successful females include the aforementioned ADM Betl Oxtroe (Dark Empire Sourcebook), CAPT Plikk, who commanded a flotilla of six Star Destroyers ("The Dreams of Cody Sunn-Childe"), CAPT Tanda Pryl, commanding officer of HIMS Thunderflare (Operation: Elrood and Planets of the Galaxy Vol. 3), MAJ Shira Brie, an honors graduate from the Military Academy at Carida ("The Mind Spider"), MAJ Civé Rashon, commanding officer of Obsidian Squadron, an elite squadron embarked aboard HIMS Avenger ("*OS-72-1 in Obsidian 1"), and LT Kasan Moor, acting commanding officer of 128th TIE Interceptor Squadron (Rogue Squadron 3-D), and even rebel officer Huoba Neva was graduated fourth in her class from the Academy (Dark Empire Sourcebook). Notice that both MAJ Rashon and LT Moor were Naval Aviators, that is, combat personnel.

The careers of these women – or even that of Cadet Myrette Davani (presumably a midshipman first class), who also enjoyed considerable success at the Military Academy at Carida ("Carida: Heavy Duty") – demonstrate that able women were not denied advancement opportunity; Cadets Brie and Davani were awarded a two-day pass prior to graduation from the Military Academy at Carida in recognition of "consistent high scores," and Cadet Brie received the highest honors in the Academy's history; Neva graduated fourth in her class. With the exception of Cadet Davani (whose career is unknown) and Neva (who was convinced to desert after three years without promotion), all of these women achieved at least command of a ship or squadron, which is considered by many the pinnacle of a Naval career – note especially that LT Moor was as of yet an O-3, whereas Naval squadrons are typically commanded by O-4 or O-5 officers.

Indeed, this sheds quite a different light on FADM Daala's experiences at the Military Academy at Carida. Perhaps she attended the Academy at an earlier time, before women were really accepted in the Imperial forces. Alternatively, it could simply be that her experiences were the direct result of her profound incompetence in operational conditions; her track record in tactical action is exceedingly poor, and the distinct disrespect and prejudice she faced may be no more than the natural response to her staggering ineptitude. It is worth noting that the man who gave FADM Daala her commission – Grand Moff Governor Wilhuff Tarkin – was in fact sleeping with her; the New Essential Guide to Characters adds that her commission was not recognized by Imperial Center (some have interpreted this to mean that she held some sort of local commission valid only within Oversector Outer, or perhaps was commissioned within a local Security Force, while others have interpreted it to mean that she did not really hold any sort of commission at all).

2, Did they let Females into the Imperial Navy/Army/whatever

Yes. Aside from the aforementioned females, there are a handful of others, the most notable of which was CPT Zeta Traal, a diplomatic attaché to Velmor ("The Last Jedi"). Notice that the Imperial Navy allows females to serve as Naval Aviators (or else Mara Jade's masquerade as such aboard HIMS Chimaera in Dark Force Rising would have been a profoundly useless disguise), which is in fact a combat role. Also note that Cadets Brie and Davani, both training to be Naval Aviators, were trained in ground combat operations at the Military Academy at Carida, including piloting the MT-ST.

3, Did any Stormies or Imperial Forces simply give up or defect when the New Republic came on the seen?

Yes. Aside from those forces which defected from Imperial service in order to create their own empires en petit (e.g., Supreme Warlord Harrsk, High Admiral Teradoc, Grand Moff Governor Ardus Kaine, Prince-Admiral Delak Krennel, Superior General Delvardus), some forces did simply surrender or otherwise cease service. The most spectacular example of this defeatist behavior is the suicide of GADM Ishin-Il-Raz, who plunged his flagship into the heart of the Denarii Nova (The Essential Chronology), while the clone of the Grand Vizier attempted to defect to the New Republic in "Mandatory Retirement." As the Imperial State underwent two major regime changes and steadily lost its iron-handed grip on the Rim and Core Worlds, more and more worlds, systems, and sectors broke away, either joining the New Republic or remaining independent states in their own right.

4, I read that Imperial Stormies could not be bribed, Sedused or whatever, is this due to mind control or some sort of Propaganda?

As Illuminatus Primus has mentioned, not less than 40 per cent of Imperial stormtroopers are clones ("GeNodes"), who are psychologically conditioned to have an unquestioning loyalty to the Empire. In the event that events should overwhelm this indoctrination, CPL Wayson Dower's abrupt "I love Big Brother" change in "Pax Empirica: The Wookiee Annihilation" implies that they may be genetically conditioned, as well; it is known that no GeNode ever leaves Imperial service, except by death.

PUBLIUS

[NRS Guardian]

Another woman in Imperial service was Captain Uwlla Iillor the commander of the Interdictor Black Asp in the novel X-wing: Rogue Squadron. Though she ended up defecting with her ship to the NR in time to provide her and her ship's services during the Battle of Coruscant. (The Black Asp was supposed to pull the fleet out of hyperspace if Rogue Squadron didn't have Coruscant's shield down I guess as a precaution against another Endor-style ambush.)

[Darth Garden Gnome]

the New Essential Guide to Characters adds that her commission was not recognized by Imperial Center (some have interpreted this to mean that she held some sort of local commission valid only within Oversector Outer

This is true. Relevant text:

"Tarkin promoted Daala to the rank of admiral--an unofficial promotion outside of Coruscant's naval hierarchy, but a legitimate one among Tarkin's forces in the Outer Rim." - P48, NEGTC

[Lord of the Farce]

Yes but again few tried. Dalla (apparently) was a highly inovative tactican, besting her male classmates again and again on Cadria. Yet she never got promoted or acknowledged.
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Indeed, this sheds quite a different light on FADM Daala's experiences at the Military Academy at Carida. Perhaps she attended the Academy at an earlier time, before women were really accepted in the Imperial forces. Alternatively, it could simply be that her experiences were the direct result of her profound incompetence in operational conditions; her track record in tactical action is exceedingly poor, and the distinct disrespect and prejudice she faced may be no more than the natural response to her staggering ineptitude.

Just a passing thought: Perhaps it's a case of somebody (specifically, Daala) telling themselves a comfortable lie for so long (perhaps a lie reinforced by Tarkin to mold her to his needs?) that they actually start beliving the lie as the actual truth?

[Illuminatus Primus]

Sure, its called cognitive dissonance.

[Lord Pounder]

I have long been a defender of Daala and continue to do so. Daala's primary down fall was relying on intelligence 10 years out of date and immitating tatics also learned and improved on by Ackbar, another person with ties to Tarkin. She had also been left for 10 years in the Maw Research installation and even the best commander would have lost their edge after 10 years doing nothing but meaningless drills.

Her secondary down fall was allowing her emotions to sway her decisions. She let her anger at the Rebels control her actions, she lost the ability to think clearly and just wanted to hurt the rebels.

As mentioned she did manage to unite the dis-seperate Imperial Warlords and is responsible for what became the Imperial Reminant, which is hardly a bad thing.

[Ender]

Few Questions

1, I heard the Empire was sort of male Biased, is this true?

Films we see nothing either way. We see mainly guys, but we see all of what, 5 bridges out of the entire navy? And in TPM there was a female captain.

2, Did they let Females into the Imperial Navy/Army/whatever

No information.

3, Did any Stormies or Imperial Forces simply give up or defect when the New Republic came on the seen?

Some did, some fought amongst themselves. My personal explanation for the lack of the Imperial Army in all of the EU is that they were all local sector boys, so they were just going to take the action that would result in the least destruction to their homes. And if that meant neutrality, so be it.

4, I read that Imperial Stormies could not be bribed, Sedused or whatever, is this due to mind control or some sort of Propaganda?

Early drafts of ROTS had an explanation for this, no idea if it is still there. Other evidence indicates it is an intentionally placed neurotic condition.

5, What sort of Driod suport do imperial warships have?

A lot. An ISD has a crew of ~37,000. Going by the historic personnal:dry tonnage rate for ships which has stayed pretty consistant, they would require ~6 million. Droids would be the difference there.

[DSD Obi-Wan]

1. Male biased? Yes and alien biased also there are very few aliens in the
Empire and if the are they are very high rank (Grand Adrmiral Thrawn)

2. Females? only force adepts one that are sedused by the darkside

3. No stormtrooper has ever thought about defecting. They pleadge there
loyalty and live the the emperor. They are so brainedwash that they
know nothing else. While everone else are just conscrips and drafties
that have a mind and want the better life and can be bribed.

4. Immposible even in rpg a level 20 character wll automatically fail no
checks or saving throws.

5. There are droids that do lesser tasks onboard ships. Most Imp ships
have high crews because they don't have the automation level in the
ST universe. If you look around the only group that used droids alot
to serve as crew is the Trade Federation. I guess in a galaxy with
1000's of worlds, why take the the jobs away?(shrugs)

[Lord Revan]

3. No stormtrooper has ever thought about defecting. They pleadge there
loyalty and live the the emperor. They are so brainedwash that they
know nothing else. While everone else are just conscrips and drafties
that have a mind and want the better life and can be bribed.

IIRC Kyle Katarn was Stormtrooper officer before defecting

[Ghost Rider]

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