Jedi and Police Powers

Petrosjko · Post by **Petrosjko** » 2005-01-01 02:11am

Chris OFarrell wrote:I belive it was also said that the Corellian Jedi were somewhat more independent from the main order. They had famalies and generaly were more down to Earth with the people. Much more like Lukes NJO.

Of couse the mainstream order did not like this, but as the alternative was to cut them loose (something that they were hardly going to do) they let them have the latitude.

Actually, Jedi Trial has retconned that business of Corellian Jedi and families... Halcyon was keeping it a secret from the Council and it was in no way something they grudgingly overlooked.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-01-01 02:15am

so i guess the Supreme Chancellor covered all the costs of living for jedi, and in return, they policed the whole frickin' galaxy. nice deal

the jedi had many detractors. the Morkugai (sp?), for one; a group of Nikto with weapons of Cortosis ore (disolved lightsabre blades) and mental training to resist Jedi mind attacks.

I imagine that many planetary leaders took their grievances with Jedi desicions to the Senate, where issues were resolved. it must've been a common occurence.

Enola Straight · Post by **Enola Straight** » 2005-01-01 04:47pm

So, The Jedi are a quasi police/military force under direct control of the Chancellor.

If we accept the Jedi are a religeous group...essentially warrior monks with paranormal powers...does that mean the Republic has no separation of Church and State?

Praxis · Post by **Praxis** » 2005-01-01 04:58pm

Petrosjko wrote: That's what I'm really curious about. Because it fits very well into the formula that Palps turns the Republic against the Jedi if they're technically an extra-legal group of vigilantes with no governmental oversight.

Thats the general opinion of a lot of people by the time of NJO, so I really wouldn't be surprised if thats how Palpatine got people against the Jedi- by portraying them as vigilantes outside the law.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-01-03 10:05pm

the force doesn't really seem like a religion, so much as something you can tap into. it does require faith, but that alone doesn't make it a religion. i mean, it doesn't really have a god, does it? is that even necessary for a religion?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2005-01-03 10:10pm

unbeataBULL wrote:the force doesn't really seem like a religion, so much as something you can tap into. it does require faith, but that alone doesn't make it a religion. i mean, it doesn't really have a god, does it? is that even necessary for a religion?

I'm not an expert, but Eastern religions like Taoism and Buddhism don't have a god, not like the monotheistic religions do at any rate. Then again, Taoism and Buddhism are sometimes called philosophies rather than religions. Perhaps it's something similar here? I can't think of anyone else who called the Jedi a religion other than Han Solo and Tarkin, and neither one seemed at all knowledgable about the Force or the Jedi Order.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2005-01-04 04:53am

Chris OFarrell wrote: So we can infer that the Jedi were very much under the personal direction of the Supreme Chancellor, not the senate or justice department equivalent. They were almost the private army of the Supreme Chancellor, operating under his executive authority.

Actually, this "fits" in with the Judical portion too. You must remember that from all aspects, the Jedi are "above" the Judicals, as in one of the novels(can't remember title, but the plot is about the Neimodian taking over the Trade Federation) they gave the Judicals orders instead. Their funding most likely was allocated to them from the Judical department, as opposed to coming out from the Chancellor Office.

I do like how Luke remade the Council though, FAR more inclusive and far more of a group of people who work with the system, rather then in a large ivory tower.

I don't for one primary reason. Why is it that the Council is disccusing policy for the Republic? And can the NJO make up their mind whether its an advisory council or an executive council? On one hand, they're executive, as they have the power to dispatch Jedi and to allocate resources to Jedi. On the other, Alpha Red shows that they aren't.

wolveraptor · Post by **wolveraptor** » 2005-01-04 07:29am

Stofsk wrote:
unbeataBULL wrote:the force doesn't really seem like a religion, so much as something you can tap into. it does require faith, but that alone doesn't make it a religion. i mean, it doesn't really have a god, does it? is that even necessary for a religion?
I'm not an expert, but Eastern religions like Taoism and Buddhism don't have a god, not like the monotheistic religions do at any rate. Then again, Taoism and Buddhism are sometimes called philosophies rather than religions. Perhaps it's something similar here? I can't think of anyone else who called the Jedi a religion other than Han Solo and Tarkin, and neither one seemed at all knowledgable about the Force or the Jedi Order.

according to my ancient history prof, taoism is a line of thought, along with legalism and Confucianism.

Buddhism actually has Buddha as a god in some sects, and i'm pretty sure the main religion involves reaching nirvana (or something) which is when you're with god (THE god) and are in utter bliss.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2005-01-04 07:39am

unbeataBULL wrote: according to my ancient history prof, taoism is a line of thought, along with legalism and Confucianism.

Taoism, as in the philosophy taught in the Tao De Jing, is a philosophy, that has been merged/submerged into the shamanism/theology of Chinese mythology, widely known as Taoism.