Vader: "There will be noone to stop us this time"

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-09 08:43am

This quote must have some significance. Thoughts?

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-11-09 08:54am

I know that quote, but can't remember which movie it was in.

So...

1) Which movie?

2) Who was he speaking to?

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-09 08:55am

1: A New Hope

2: Aboard the Tantive IV, to one of his officers- ordering him to see to it personally that the plans are retrieved from the Tantive IV escape pod.

Who is 'us'? The Empire? What were they stopped from doing?

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2002-11-09 09:37am

Vympel wrote:1: A New Hope

2: Aboard the Tantive IV, to one of his officers- ordering him to see to it personally that the plans are retrieved from the Tantive IV escape pod.

Who is 'us'? The Empire? What were they stopped from doing?

Princess Leia stopped them from retrieving the plans from Tantive IV.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-09 09:42am

Phew. For a second I thought they were gonna be stopped from building a DS in Episode III.

Guest · Post by **Guest** » 2002-11-09 10:38am

It's also possible that he was refering to being bale to arrest Leia? From what i gather she was on Palpys hit-list for some time.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-09 10:41am

Probably with the Senate disbanded Palpatine was at last free from anything resembling realistic opposition. He could literally do as he pleases.

spongyblue · Post by **spongyblue** » 2002-11-09 12:24pm

In the radio drama, the Tantive escaped from the Imperials when they were recieving the data tranmissions, only to be caught by the same ISD above Tattoine. IIRC, the same line was used by Vader in reference to the earlier events.

Post by **Vympel** » 2002-11-10 03:28am

Stormbringer wrote:Probably with the Senate disbanded Palpatine was at last free from anything resembling realistic opposition. He could literally do as he pleases.

I don't think that's the right context. Tarkin reports the disbanding of the Senate later in the film- and why Vader would say that to a lowly officer?

Radio drama explanation is good.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2002-11-10 05:00am

Perhaps Vader knows they can operate without restraint that far out on the rim.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2002-11-10 12:19pm

Vympel wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Probably with the Senate disbanded Palpatine was at last free from anything resembling realistic opposition. He could literally do as he pleases.
I don't think that's the right context. Tarkin reports the disbanding of the Senate later in the film- and why Vader would say that to a lowly officer?

Radio drama explanation is good.

I suppose you're right. But Vader would quite likely have know before hand about the disbanding of the Senate. Especially if he was supposed to go after a Senator.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-11-10 12:44pm

Vympel wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Probably with the Senate disbanded Palpatine was at last free from anything resembling realistic opposition. He could literally do as he pleases.
I don't think that's the right context. Tarkin reports the disbanding of the Senate later in the film- and why Vader would say that to a lowly officer?

Radio drama explanation is good.

Probably was an Aide too him of sort. He did seem too know more then enough information for a 'lowly' officer.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-10 05:29pm

Before the Tantive IV managed to escape capture by saying it was on humanintarian action. Now they were FINISHED.

greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-11-11 09:23am

Captain Lennox wrote:
Vympel wrote:
Stormbringer wrote:Probably with the Senate disbanded Palpatine was at last free from anything resembling realistic opposition. He could literally do as he pleases.
I don't think that's the right context. Tarkin reports the disbanding of the Senate later in the film- and why Vader would say that to a lowly officer?

Radio drama explanation is good.
Probably was an Aide too him of sort. He did seem too know more then enough information for a 'lowly' officer.

Probably a top aide to Vader. Consider:

-- Piett occasionally questioned Vader's orders in TESB, but was rather hesitent when doing so. Possibly that was do to seeing the former Admiral Ozzel tele-killed over the monitor, but I get the feeling Vader's reputation for brutal and ruthless efficiency was made before ANH, let alone TESB. And even Jerjerrod, when Vader came aboard to inspect the construction of the DS2, was rather deferrential towards Vader.

In contrast, the black-uniformed officer in ANH was almost critical-sounding of Vader's decision when on the Tantive, using a very negative tone and implying that Vader had made a very big mistake in capturing Senator Organa. Perhaps he felt safe due to patronage or rank, but I highly doubt it: rank didn't protect generals or admirals from Vader's wrath, and this guy was undoubtedly of lower rank; and I strongly doubt that he had such high patronage that he would risk it against Palpatine's right-hand and hatchet man.
-- Vader responded to ciriticism of his methods and the power of the Force on the DS1 by strangling the critic until Tarkin told him to stand down. Now, maybe that was due to his feeling that it was a personal attack, but still, his response on the Tantive to the officer's criticism was to simply say "Leave that to me." To me, that speaks toward the man being an aide whose job includes playing devil's advocate for Vader's decisions.

Smiling Bandit · Post by **Smiling Bandit** » 2002-11-11 09:48am

If Vader trusted him not to make bad decisions and to understand the implications of what was going on, he may well have been able to get away with quite a bit. As long as he was competant and effective, I imagine Vader could tolerate a surprising amount of "constructive criticism".