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Illuminatus Primus wrote: If I remember correctly, the Death Stars were to be produced eventually as region-level mobile command centers. Its hardly unreasonable.
Why on earth would Palpatine do that? That would only serve to diffuse any form of stragetic power he had, and destroy the purpose of the Death Stars, which was to concentrate Imperial forces at his command, as opposed to giving more power to the governors.
Actually it would have the opposite effect. The Death Stars were clearly unassailable by any conventional means - that means that they gave Palpatine a virtually unbeatable weapon (at least in conjunction with the Navy) with which to crush any opposition. Its not something anyone could easily counter unless they had similar firepower at their disposal, or something else (like a Force Storm or mind control abilities on the scale of what say, Palpatine had.)

However, a single one of them is not much good - it can only be in one place at a time. You don't need huge numbers (although its possible they could build more if they need them), but you need more than one to effectively exert control.

IIRC, the ANH novelization had Tarkin also mentioning that the Death Star was the ultimate power in only the part of the galaxy they were currently in, not the galaxy as a whole. Don't forget there is cirucmstantial evidence suggesting multiple Death Stars were in construction elsewhere (IE the two over Coruscant.)
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The Executor-type were probably built in larger numbers than just a couple dozen. There were already four in service by the Battle of Yavin (admittedly, according to an RPG sourcebook, but in lieu of any evidence to the contrary from higher canon, it should be considered accurate background information). Remember, Solo's not surprised to see Executor, which we would expect if they were an extremely rare class, as this was supposed to be a surprise raid on the DSII. Indeed, he merely calls it a "command ship," and tells Luke "there are a lot of them." Twelve is not a lot.


(and I think a pair of the Black Fleet ships were missed in the count of a dozen...there were three Executors in the Black Fleet, not just Pride of Yevetha).
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The Dark wrote:The Executor-type were probably built in larger numbers than just a couple dozen. There were already four in service by the Battle of Yavin (admittedly, according to an RPG sourcebook, but in lieu of any evidence to the contrary from higher canon, it should be considered accurate background information). Remember, Solo's not surprised to see Executor, which we would expect if they were an extremely rare class, as this was supposed to be a surprise raid on the DSII. Indeed, he merely calls it a "command ship," and tells Luke "there are a lot of them." Twelve is not a lot.
"command ship" doesn't neccesarily mean Executor-class. They could be Republic-era warships (Mandators, for example), or of different classes (like Giel's battleship.). Executors definitely fill in the "high end" capacity of the warship scale (like the Sovereigns and Eclipses), so they neccesarily wouldn't build as many of them.

Then again, they could conceivably have built dozens or even hundreds of Executors as well. Its not really easy to say.


(and I think a pair of the Black Fleet ships were missed in the count of a dozen...there were three Executors in the Black Fleet, not just Pride of Yevetha).[/quote]
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The Dark wrote:The Executor-type were probably built in larger numbers than just a couple dozen. There were already four in service by the Battle of Yavin (admittedly, according to an RPG sourcebook, but in lieu of any evidence to the contrary from higher canon, it should be considered accurate background information). Remember, Solo's not surprised to see Executor, which we would expect if they were an extremely rare class, as this was supposed to be a surprise raid on the DSII. Indeed, he merely calls it a "command ship," and tells Luke "there are a lot of them." Twelve is not a lot.
"command ship" doesn't neccesarily mean Executor-class.
True. The only reason I connected it to the Executor was because Solo's line comes right after Luke says Vader's on that ship, and Solo says not to be so nervous, because there are lots of them. It appears Solo assumes Luke believes Vader's ship is the only one of its type, or that they're so rare the odds are good it's Vader's, rather than Luke sensing him through the Force. It's very circumstantial, but on top of other things (the fact that Lusankya could be hidden on Coruscant, that a single repair dockyard had three Executors, that Kuat was building one during the Warlord Era), it suggests the Executors were not that rare.
They could be Republic-era warships (Mandators, for example), or of different classes (like Giel's battleship.). Executors definitely fill in the "high end" capacity of the warship scale (like the Sovereigns and Eclipses), so they neccesarily wouldn't build as many of them.
They're definitely less high-end than an Eclipse :lol: . I'd expect them to serve as fleet flagships, perhaps at a sector level, with the Eclipse much rarer; they seem more like something that might exist as one per Grand Admiral or so, just given their relative mobility for a superlaser-armed vessel. Sovereigns I admittedly don't know much about.
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The Eclipse and Soveriegn probably lacked the power to punch through planetary shielding
The Eclipse is equipped with a superlaser. How could it possibly lack the power to punch through a wimp planetary sheild. And if it didn't the laser will be ready to fire in another few hours and the shields will fall then.
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