Thermal Detanators and Missiles

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-12 06:39pm

Does anyone have energy numbers, I repeat numbers, derived from an explicit source or calcs, on the strength of a starfighter grade Thermal Detanator? Or just those for the hand held would do I guess, but pref the bomber type.

In addition, does anyone have the relative strengths for missile weapons from the old TIE fighter and x-wing games? I know someone has them, I just can't remember who. THey posted about torps being 3.3 times the strength of CMs, and I'm looking for the conversion factors for the Heavy Rockets and Heavy Bombs and what not.

Seggybop · Post by **Seggybop** » 2002-11-12 07:25pm

Proton Torpedo 100 BLS
Concussion Missile 30 BLS
Adv Torpedo 150 BLS
Adv Missile 60 BLS
Heavy Bomb 650 BLS
Heavy Rocket 350 BLS

Source TIE Fighter CD

Anarchist Bunny · Post by **Anarchist Bunny** » 2002-11-12 07:33pm

Don't know any numbers, but I know two Grade A's are powerful enought to destroy a multilevel palace, and are small enought to be carried by one person. Ref Shadows of the Empire.

pecker · Post by **pecker** » 2002-11-12 08:27pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Don't know any numbers, but I know two Grade A's are powerful enought to destroy a multilevel palace, and are small enought to be carried by one person. Ref Shadows of the Empire.

That's a bit misleading. They didn't 'destroy' the Palace. They destroyed it's foundation. The weight of the upper levels did the rest

Post by **Kuja** » 2002-11-12 08:31pm

anarchistbunny wrote:Don't know any numbers, but I know two Grade A's are powerful enought to destroy a multilevel palace, and are small enought to be carried by one person. Ref Shadows of the Empire.

They only took out a few levels. With so much support gone, the building toppled over.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-12 08:37pm

Seggy, thanks, that is what I was looking for.

Anarchist: Those are the ones I'm talking about. THe ones with the 100 meter blast radius (or diameter, I don't remember) as opposed to the 20 m diameter infantry.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2002-11-12 08:48pm

pecker wrote:
anarchistbunny wrote:Don't know any numbers, but I know two Grade A's are powerful enought to destroy a multilevel palace, and are small enought to be carried by one person. Ref Shadows of the Empire.
That's a bit misleading. They didn't 'destroy' the Palace. They destroyed it's foundation. The weight of the upper levels did the rest

It was also 1 detonator. He kept the first, dropped the second.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-11-12 09:54pm

They took out a few floors, and the material used must be about an order of magnitude stronger than ordinary steel. I'd say it was a gigajoule-level event form the top of my head.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-11-12 11:06pm

The Bacta War ice calcs. The same ones that Lord Edam tried to misrepresent and misuse towards his own deluded ends.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-13 06:02am

Connor MacLeod wrote:The Bacta War ice calcs. The same ones that Lord Edam tried to misrepresent and misuse towards his own deluded ends.

Right, I knew they existed. Where can I find those?

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-13 12:37pm

NM, found them

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-13 02:26pm

Interesting, a link from teh thread goes to Lord Edams work, which pegs a high end laser cannon shot at abouty 1.25 KT. Tech improvement maybe?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-11-13 04:31pm

Proton torpedoes have vastly different warhead yields, depending on what the purpose is. Lower yields (1 kt to a ocuple KT implied by laser yields in AOTC ICS) probably are ideal for ground attack roles.

I believe Wayne's site also had a nice "rebuttal" to Edam's Bacta War assumptions (the calcs seem ok, thouhg DasBastard was really nailing him on that as I recall.)

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2002-11-13 04:49pm

Right now I'm sifting through that thread trying to figure out who is right, Edam saying that DaBastard and HDS got 70 MT, or DaBastard saying you can get 196 MT. I can't find reference to either outside of oneliners, so...

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2002-11-13 11:04pm

Ender wrote:Right now I'm sifting through that thread trying to figure out who is right, Edam saying that DaBastard and HDS got 70 MT, or DaBastard saying you can get 196 MT. I can't find reference to either outside of oneliners, so...

Do your own calcs.. they're not really that difficult to do.

All you really need is the density of the ice, the melting/vaporization energy (both can probably be gotten from Mike's site, he's done calcs for ice asteroids) and the volume affected (kilomter wide and maybe half a kilometer deep, IIRC)

Then all you need are the number of TD's - low end was 4 or 8 (I forget how many TIE bombers there were 2 per bomber) and high end is around 128-256 (TIE Bombers can carry no more than 64 TD's)

IIRC my own calcs they were around 70-100 MT total, so Edam's aren't really THAT far off.

Lord Edam · Post by **Lord Edam** » 2002-11-14 07:50am

Connor MacLeod wrote: All you really need is the density of the ice, the melting/vaporization energy (both can probably be gotten from Mike's site, he's done calcs for ice asteroids) and the volume affected (kilomter wide and maybe half a kilometer deep, IIRC)

a kilometre round and half that deep. DasBastard and HDS's mistake was using a km across. You should get about 30MT to make the crater, divided between however many thermal detonators you think are dropped.

relevant quotes and energy figures are available from http://www.trek-wars.info/BactaWar.html

There's no way to get much higher than 30MT without really pushing things to the extreme in an attempt to inflate the figures

Wayne's not got anything about these calcs on his website, though he has put up stuff about the Trek shield stuff as "the cheesy red herring", and some of my other stuff is mentioned in the relevant section.