Jedi Mindtricks and Ethics

[Kurgan]

RPG = Game mechanics

Yes, they are of course, but only in the way they actually work in the rpg (I think it’s something like +6 rescue roll for the Hutt, if someone tries to use the force to screw with his/her mind, at least in the wotc rpg ), it doesn’t however mean that they are not force resistant to a degree.

The fact that Hutts were an Alien species semmed to have made it even harder for Luke to trick Jabba, or their strange brain structure might in fact be the reason for their force resistance. ;]

Well, Bib Fortuna is an alien species and he didn't seem to have any trouble mind tricking him a few moments before he tried it on Jabba.

Jedi often seem to have trouble getting into the minds of races they don’t know, anyway. I don’t have the quotes at hand, but I think Luke has trouble reading and influencing Alien minds in the Thrawn Trilogy (when the Rodian and Barbel were getting at each other during a bar fight, if I am not completely mistaken), and somewhere in the Bakura Novel as well (with the lizards ;] ).

The question is, why would he be any more familiar with Twi'Leks than Hutts. They're both supposedly natives of Tatooine, his home planet.

The whole "this race is immune to mind tricks" strikes me as being too much like a Trek brain bug of each race being a one noter, etc.

But then again, its not unprecedented in the EU in general and Lucas's portrayal of Watto certainly is interpretable that way. Jabba doesn't say "What, you think you're some kinda Jedi talking to me like that? I'm a Hutt! Mind Tricks won't work on me! Only chains around my neck!" I always assumed that Jabba was just a strong willed mofo, and that was that.

Jaina Solo in one of the NJO novels actually uses a force trick on a Toydarian (with quite some effort and only to get him to set a false set of jump coordinates), so it really does not seem to be a immunity, but just a resistance.

Okay, so much for that idea.

Otherwise you'd think that Palpy would either start recruiting these Force Proof aliens to do his dirty work, or try to wipe them out to nullify their advantage.

[Gorefiend]

Bib never struck me as very strong willed, and his mind might have been less alien to Luke then that of a Hutt, but I really think it must be the thing that Hutt brains just don’t so easily give up to the Force, as do the once of other races.

The whole "this race is immune to mind tricks" strikes me as being too much like a Trek brain bug of each race being a one noter, etc.

That’s properly why they made it only a certain resistance, not complete immunity in the EU.

Otherwise you'd think that Palpy would either start recruiting these Force Proof aliens to do his dirty work, or try to wipe them out to nullify their advantage.

One of Palpi’s Governors killed most Yinchorr (the lizards from one of the jedi comics that were Force resistant).

As for Hutts, Hutt Space was a semi independent part of the Empire, like the CSA, the Tion Worlds, the Centrality etc.. They actually more or lesst backed the Empire, and many of the Emperors followers had interests there, so he left them alone. The Toyadarinas live in Hutt Space as well, so did not get touched by the Empire either.

Hmm, I don’t think a Force resistant race would be such a big bother to the Emperor, he was more concerned with species that were force sensitive from birth and had a lot of those wiped out, or severally punished.

[mwm1331]

I knda think that using the mind trick is unethical, and thats why it was shown. I mean wasn't one of the points of the new trilogy to show how arrogant and corrupt the jedi order had become without even realising it?

[Kurgan]

Bib never struck me as very strong willed, and his mind might have been less alien to Luke then that of a Hutt, but I really think it must be the thing that Hutt brains just don’t so easily give up to the Force, as do the once of other races.

The whole "this race is immune to mind tricks" strikes me as being too much like a Trek brain bug of each race being a one noter, etc.

That’s properly why they made it only a certain resistance, not complete immunity in the EU.

Otherwise you'd think that Palpy would either start recruiting these Force Proof aliens to do his dirty work, or try to wipe them out to nullify their advantage.

One of Palpi’s Governors killed most Yinchorr (the lizards from one of the jedi comics that were Force resistant).

As for Hutts, Hutt Space was a semi independent part of the Empire, like the CSA, the Tion Worlds, the Centrality etc.. They actually more or lesst backed the Empire, and many of the Emperors followers had interests there, so he left them alone. The Toyadarinas live in Hutt Space as well, so did not get touched by the Empire either.

Hmm, I don’t think a Force resistant race would be such a big bother to the Emperor, he was more concerned with species that were force sensitive from birth and had a lot of those wiped out, or severally punished.

The Empire had no problem messing with the Tusken Raiders (who, granted, were despised apparently by some groups) and the Jawas (who were businessmen) who were in Hutt space when it suited them. They also didn't bother to cover their tracks after murdering Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru, so the moisture farmers must not have had that much clout.

Apparently Jawas are more important than moisture farmers to the Empire (since they tried to cover up what happened to the Jawas!).

Other than the Hutts themselves, who had protection? The idea that Jabba was "killing Jedi" back in the day was suggested in the ROTJ novelisation, but we've never seen that followed up on. It could have meant he backed the Empire, it could have meant he just killed some Jedi, or it could have just been blustering to intimidate Luke.

[Gorefiend]

By the time of the empire, tatooine was part of imperial space, not hutt space anymore. Just take a look at the clone wars map compared to the modern star wars maps.