Does anyone else but me... (slight rant)

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The Silence and I wrote:Well if this is a sort of rant thread then yes the droid suckyness (TM) really bothers me.

My suspension of disbelief is strained every time I see the droids fight: Supposedly this is a civilization utilizing technology many millennia beyond what we have today. A society that by all rights should have the ability to easily store teraflop computer systems in a piece of paper and that has been programming droids for millennia. When I see the droids in action I see appalling reaction times and even worse accuracy of fire. I find this inexcusable in light of the technology; even a droid with zero personality programming (and unlikely to turn against owners) should have access to dirt cheap computer systems that will fit within its electronic eye and still have the power needed to calculate rapid, precise, fluid movement and accuracy no human hope to achieve in time frames smaller than we can percieve.
Calculating rapid movements is not the same thing as actually making them happen. That's why we need control systems, hydraulics, servomotors, etc. And in those components, if you go cheap, you get poor performance no matter what the computer in charge tells them to do. The ordinary battledroids were designed to overwhelm the opposition with sheer numbers; they were not designed for performance. There is also the question of the brain's intelligence; the battledroids are stupid, and even a person with fantastic speed of movement still has to decide what to shoot at.
Your point is well noted. It helps somewhat, but I still have to wonder: how cheap is cheap today and how cheap is cheap 25,000+ years from now?

How much are we supposed to believe it costs to buy/make a servo that can only match human level force and precision in a civilization with millennia old FTL travel? Such a servo could improve the B1 droids (if the issue is mechanical not computational) as apparently they are using something well below human-level performance.

What their society should be capable of producing has to be many orders of magnitude beyond what we are shown; not just with computers but mechanical control as well. I don't know what the economics really are but it is hard to preserve my SOD--I happen to think the components required to make those B1 droids superior to any human should be readily found for lunch money on the civilian market. If you want Jedi level droid effectiveness you have to start paying more but human or better level performance should (IMO) be readily found as common items in the local hardware store!

I am apparently wrong about one thing or another, but while watching the movies I don't want to have to break down the theoretical economics of starwars to make sense of things; I want to see >>25,000 year old technology in action! Not something fricken Startrek can surpass...
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More like 100,000+ years.
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NecronLord wrote:Does anyone else but me find the way that the statements about clones being superior to droids are taken as gospel by both authors and fans infuriatingly irritating? Surely there is absoloutely no rational reason why a clone could ever match a droid in marksmanship, endurance, strength or senses. Why should this emempheral clone creativeness ever win battles - a selling point used by the Kaminoans, certainly, true? I don't think so.
True.

Even more interesting is why don't they use cyborg-like warriors? Put in a soldier's brain into a large heavily armed machine body? That way you could have the advantages of clone soldiers and drone soldiers. Except they'd be more rare, but I'd imagine the Empire wouldn't have too much trouble finding enough devoted volunteers.
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Spanky The Dolphin wrote:More like 100,000+ years.
Is that the number then? Well I can't really say that is better :P
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Today we can build robotic arms that (on a stable wheeled platform, but hey) can aquire targets and reliably hit them with air guns. Such a system is hardly cheap today, but 100,000+ years from now? And the answer I always hear is 'they wanted the droids to be cheap...dur...' after sacrifcing so much performance to save what should be pennies don't you think replacing losses will cut heavily into your savings? Have you imagination? 100,000+ years!! Gah!

Ok, I think I feel a little better now. :)
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Actually, now that I look around, it could be closer to about 500,000 years.
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Economy might seem crazy in military robots... but look at the production numbers for just the Geonosis plant. When you need a trillions-strong robot army, cutting corners on shoulder and elbow servos makes a little more sense :)

For example, they still build B1s when they've got SBDs. They're quite simply cannon fodder that shoots back: it seemed clear by AOTC that SBDs and Droideikas were the real firepower of the droid army, and they're superior to clones (except uber clones).

Back to NLs original complaint, I agree. A droid army along post-AOTC lines should be superior to an equal number of clones - but the CIS support vehicles are utterly crap (except maybe that wheeled rocket thing) whereas the clone army has excellent support vehicles. This may play a part.

Also, Palpy is playing both sides, so the success/failure of either side is really a result of his whim. Maybe he doesn't like droids? :D
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My guess is that Palpatine needed soldiers quickly, and he probably lacked the ability to rapidly produce droids, so maybe he turned to clones, from process of elimination.
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How about a million years, while we're at it...? ;)
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No, I was actually looking that shit up, not just pulling stuff out of my ass.
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From where? Much of Star Wars tech we'll "never" have... ;)
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