One-note Clone Wars Rant

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-04-13 06:34pm

Has the CW struck anyone as a depressingly one-note affair? One army is clones, the other droids. One capship per team. Noone ever formed a volunteer unit in the Rep army (probably because Palpy made it illegal, but hey). No CIS world augmented their forces with non-droids, unique droids, etc. Aside from Grievous' ship, one late-war cap per team. SMALL caps, too, ugh.

While I *know* that it's essentially Palpys tabletop wargame, its always rubbed me the wrong way that a) every Rep trooper is a clone b) every CIS trooper is a droid c) Venators and ... ... P-somethings are it etc. Could the CIS have made themselves look any WORSE? Warlike Rep planets don't contribute to galactic or sector defence? When the CIS attacks a Rep planet, are the local forces told to put their guns down, park their headhunters and put their tanks back in the hanger?

Lord Revan · Post by **Lord Revan** » 2005-04-13 06:39pm

Well thankfully Medstar dualogy has both Non-clone and non-droid troopers (on both sides)

000 · Post by **000** » 2005-04-13 06:43pm

Eh... there's been tons of examples of local forces contributing to the conflict. See the Battle of Jabiim, the Siege of Saleucami, and the Battle of Mon Calamari, for starters. In the movies there are only a couple of ship types, but elsewhere we see Rendili dreadnaughts, Geonosian dreadnaughts, Givin frigates, etc. plus Kuati battlecruisers and battleships. There's a lot of variety.

And in RotS there will be *spoilers, highlight to read*

battles on Kashyyyk and Utapau, both of which make heavy use of local forces bolstered by Republic troops

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-04-13 06:44pm

Stark wrote:... No CIS world augmented their forces with non-droids, unique droids, etc. ...

I haven't actually bought any Star Wars Insider, but I suddenly remember this pic from I was browsing through joecorroney.com. Plus wasn't there spoiler pics of a lightly armored Neimoidian trooper sometime back?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-13 06:46pm

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-04-13 07:13pm

The thread-starter hasn´t paid attention to the various CW stories, I see.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ve ... _Star_Wars

Knock yourself out, vehicle-wise.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2005-04-13 10:20pm

I know bout the vehicles in CW. The standard Tradefed tank is used everwhere. Apart from stupid one offs like the Hammer of Gayness, it's hardly offsetting the rest.

And I'm not reading those stupid EU books. Although it IS good variety is in there.

Panzer Grenadier · Post by **Panzer Grenadier** » 2005-04-13 10:29pm

There is already far more movie ship and ground vehicles variety than the Galactic Civil War had.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-04-13 10:49pm

I agree.

I wanted to see a full Republic fleet with everything from proto-Executor-class ships to proto-Star Destroyers to proto-TIE Fighters battling it out with a similarly well-rounded Seperatist armada. And on Kashyyyk I wanted to see a full set of combined arms and unique local military force.

Instead I get the VENATOR SWARM [tm].

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-04-14 03:41am

I wanted to see a full Republic fleet with everything from proto-Executor-class ships to proto-Star Destroyers to proto-TIE Fighters battling it out with a similarly well-rounded Seperatist armada. And on Kashyyyk I wanted to see a full set of combined arms and unique local military force.

One out of two ain´t so bad.

Kartr_Kana · Post by **Kartr_Kana** » 2005-04-14 02:30pm

I feel the same way clone wars is not clone wars if there is only one war and two sides. Plus none of the EU clone wars stuff(Spartti cloning tanks, cloakshapes, z-95s, victorys, etc) are shown except for the juggernaught. Plus in one of the guides the timeline says that the clone wars ended three years before ep 1, GL really changed the timeline on us!!

I have to say though that after reading the ROTS novelization the star wars saga really seemed to come full circle. Lord Vaders lines in ANH to Obi-wan sums it up(the circle is complete...Now I am the master!).

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-14 02:45pm

Kartr_Kana wrote:Plus none of the EU clone wars stuff(Spartti cloning tanks, cloakshapes, z-95s, victorys, etc) are shown except for the juggernaught.

Oh boo hoo hoo, give off. You and your half self-constructed dead horse...

As for the timeline thing, it's called revisionism. Stuff like that happens after you open the gates to what more or less was forbidden territory for about fifteen years.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-04-14 03:06pm

VT-16 wrote:
I wanted to see a full Republic fleet with everything from proto-Executor-class ships to proto-Star Destroyers to proto-TIE Fighters battling it out with a similarly well-rounded Seperatist armada. And on Kashyyyk I wanted to see a full set of combined arms and unique local military force.
One out of two ain´t so bad.

I didn't mean those three, I meant them and everything in between.

Kartr_Kana · Post by **Kartr_Kana** » 2005-04-14 03:06pm

Even if you tell everyone that this is the timeline and fuck up all their work when you change it? Oh plus the fact that Obi-wan is atleast three years younger then he has to be in TPM.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-14 03:30pm

Kartr_Kana wrote:Even if you tell everyone that this is the timeline and fuck up all their work when you change it?

Then you do what's called RETCONNING...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-04-14 05:29pm

I feel the same way clone wars is not clone wars if there is only one war and two sides.

The wars might be separated into two or three parts:

Republic vs. Separatists under Dooku (AOTC-ROTS), Republic vs. Separatists under Grievous (ROTS), Empire vs. Jedi and their sympathisers (ROTS +).

Plus none of the EU clone wars stuff(Spartti cloning tanks, cloakshapes, z-95s, victorys, etc) are shown except for the juggernaught.

Z-95s and Victory-class destroyers are mentioned several times, especially in the factbooks.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-14 05:33pm

VT-16 wrote:
Plus none of the EU clone wars stuff(Spartti cloning tanks, cloakshapes, z-95s, victorys, etc) are shown except for the juggernaught.
Z-95s and Victory-class destroyers are mentioned several times, especially in the factbooks.

Kartr_Kana is under some damn delusion that the occasional bit and piece hints and mentions of stuff from the Clone Wars era equates with some whole non-existant previously established EU version of the Clone Wars. In fact it only exists in his mind...

VT-16 · Post by **VT-16** » 2005-04-14 05:39pm

So far I´ve seen little that goes against previously established CW EU, except for dates and such.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-04-14 05:39pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
VT-16 wrote:
Plus none of the EU clone wars stuff(Spartti cloning tanks, cloakshapes, z-95s, victorys, etc) are shown except for the juggernaught.
Z-95s and Victory-class destroyers are mentioned several times, especially in the factbooks.
Kartr_Kana is under some damn delusion that the occasional bit and piece hints and mentions of stuff from the Clone Wars era equates with some whole non-existant previously established EU version of the Clone Wars. In fact it only exists in his mind...

No, not really Spanky. There were some pretty lucid impressions from the Farlander Papers and the Thrawn Trilogy that were just run roughshod over by the Prequel Trilogy.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-04-14 05:40pm

Yeah, but he acts like there was this huge continuity that already existed, and all he can bring up is just handfuls of ships, equipment, and otherwise trival crap like that.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2005-04-17 01:22am

I haven't seen Season 3, but it sounds like somebody forgot about Season 1-2. There's plenty of examples to go against the "one-note" criticism. Anyway, yeah, something like that.

As to the Continuity thing, well, there you have it. Just about everything we "thought" we knew about the Clone Wars prior to the Prequel films has been turning out to be wrong, or turned on its ear. Love it or hate it... Now it's retconned.

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