Generals commanding fleets

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

No, it was Tanaab. And his little maneuver IIRC wasn't even a military thing, but something to do with pirates.

It was still something which showed tactical talent. It must have been truly brilliant, or the Rebels are that short of talent. Still, one had to admit it paid off, and that's what counted.

[Perseid]

most of the generals in the rebel alliance and NR had worked their way up through starfighter command or the army. For people like Bel Iblis and Dadona (Yavin commander, can't remeber how to spell his name) they took the title of General because they had originally served for an extended period (many years) as senators. So they assumed the rank the same way that Roman senators assumed the rank of General when they lead a campaign

[Stofsk]

I found it interesting that Lando resigned from being a General pretty quickly. Look at all the EU books that are Post-ROTJ. He's either working on some weird project (TTT) or he's bored and begs the Rebel Intelligence director for an assignment (BFC). A lot of the EU writers forget that he was a military commander for the Rebels at one point (except DE).

Not surprised; the EU also likes to forget that Leia was meant to be "There is another..." and that Luke was meant to "Pass on what you have learned..." Instead, post-ROTJ SW turns into an episode of 'The West Wing' - "Can President Leia reason with the xenophobic Yevetha who have come to Coruscant with shadowy intentions?" Who the hell gives a fuck?

[Ace Pace]

For some reason, i think BFC was the exception, most of the books are Luke "passing on" his information, or just related books.

Not ALL books have to deal with only the main characters.

[Gorefiend]

Did he have any military experience?

Not of a formal kind, I should think, but he was a decent pilot and had been through a handful of battles during his adventures. Nar Shadda and the Battle at the Star Cave come to mind. At Taanab he basically just out-flew and captured a band of pirates by himself, at least according to the New Essential Guide to Characters.

Dadona (Yavin commander, can't remeber how to spell his name)

Jan Dadonna used to command Star Destroyers for the Old Republic and the Empire as Officer, and he gets mentioned/ shows up in several Clone Wars novels and comics.

[Stofsk]

For some reason, i think BFC was the exception, most of the books are Luke "passing on" his information, or just related books.

Not really. I'm too buggered to go into it though.

Not ALL books have to deal with only the main characters.

But when they DO deal with the main characters, they should deal with them properly.

[Wicked Pilot]

With rebel groups you don't having the luxury of multiple formal training programs and schools similiar to what modern militaries have. You have to take whomever you can recruit. Some will be more experience than others and it would be a waste to start someone like Calrissian off in some entry level position. He was rightfully given a field commission to General due to his ability to manage thousands of personal and large amounts of equipment. He may have never been in the military, but he was a leader, and that's what the Alliance saw in him.

[Ender]

Or you know, instead of contining in a bizarre campaign against reality like you enjoy doing, we could go by what is said in the novels.

In the BFC, they explain this: The leaders come from local sector forces. They keep their old rank titles out of respect, but go by an adjusted grade for rank in a galactic scale.

This is why Grievous and A'bat are generals, but serve as admirals.


In closing, maybe you should try reading instead of crying so much you stupid horsefucker.

Grievous does not serve in the New Republic Defence Forces, in case you haven’t spotted it, bloody troll.

Now that's ammusing, the newbie who pisses and moans everytime a topic involving realism comes up is trying to frame someone who has been here since the beginning as a troll.

The Separatists could have any kind of rank system, for all we know.

And you of course have evidence that it is something radically different and thus we should ignore evidence as to how the galactic military ranking system is, right?

General A'baht used to serve as a fleet commander with the Dornean Navy and his Rank was General there as well, not Admiral.

Yeah, thanks for proving my point there.

Now get back to horse fucking and just stop trolling for fuck sake.

You come in, piss and moan, and have zero fucking evidence to support your "radically different!" claim, but I'm the troll. Unhuh.

[Ender]

Wow, Ender, you're an asshole.

Yes, I'm so horrible for going after someone for an unsupported claim that they depend on denying evidence for.

[Lord Revan]

General Grievous is sole military commander of all CIS forces (surface and naval) and was a general before he became a cyborg, so he just kept his old rank (which wouldn't be incorrect as there's no special rank for officer that's both army and navy commander).

[Darth Garden Gnome]

On the subject of Lando, his "little maneuver" involved capturing some pirate starfighters with a net.

How this has anything to do with commanding starfighters against something like the Imperial Navy is an unknown. Granted, the Battle of Taanab was described in an EU source, so it's not like they invented this for the movie.

[SCVN 2812]

I seem to recall Calrissian and Solo taking part in an effort to prevent Nar Shadda from being wiped out by the Empire with a pretty motley fleet of pirates, smugglers and mercenaries in mostly smaller ships. It probably wouldn't have gone as well as it did had the Admiral commanding the fleet not been bribed. This is of course, EU.

The reference to a battle of Tanab implies Calrissian does have some experience commanding large numbers of, to put it nicely, irregular forces, in odds against situations. Solo's rank may have been political, recognition for some of the things he's done for the Rebellion and he was part of the group that destroyed the first Death Star, although somewhat late to the party. Between Yavin and Hoth quite a few rebels, some of them pretty high ranking owe him his life to an extent.

[Publius]

In the context of Earth, such a statement would be pretty stupid. However, one must consider whether space "navies" can really be called that, since they are more an extension of the air force, occupying the highest possible ground. In this situation, an air general commanding a planetary siege would be a sensible solution, seeing as in SW air forces and orbital forces are practically the same craft in some instances.

Actually, such a statement would be completely correct. An admiral and a general share the same pay grade and can be expected to have broadly comparable responsibilities in their respective organizations. Notably, both admirals and generals are pay grade O-10, which is precisely the same concept that Commodore Farley Carson explains in Tyrant's Test when he says that "generals are C-one, admirals are C-one – so it's the grade that matters, not the rank."

It is notable that, at least as of Tyrant's Test, the New Republic Defense Forces are a consolidated military establishment, unlike the Imperial Armed Forces; whereas the Imperial Armed Forces may be usefully compared to the United States Armed Forces or Armed Forces of the Crown, having separate chains of command and infrastructures for the separate branches (Imperial Army, Imperial Navy, Imperial Marines, and Imperial Intelligence), the NRDF are more usefully compared to the Canadian Forces, wherein the separate "environments" belong to a single unified command (hence, whereas the Empire speaks of a Navy and Army, the NRDF refers to Starfighter Command and Fleet Command, directly analogous to the CF's Air Command and Maritime Command).

[FTeik]

Does the NR even have an Army worth its own command-structure?

[Thirdfain]

Does the NR even have an Army worth its own command-structure?

Yes, and one capable of going toe-to-toe with the Imperial forces at that. There are numerous references to the deployment of troops in the EU.

[Gorefiend]

Now that's ammusing, the newbie who pisses and moans everytime a topic involving realism comes up is trying to frame someone who has been here since the beginning as a troll.

If you behave like a bloody troll, calling you a troll is only fitting, how ever long you might have been on the board.

And you of course have evidence that it is something radically different and thus we should ignore evidence as to how the galactic military ranking system is, right?

So your saying its “galactic military standard” that Generals serve as Admirals? Though your much loved quote is actually stating the opposite, that it in fact was a exception made for A'baht to get to keep his title. Also it only concerns the New Republic Defence Forces. Saying that because they do it everybody else does it, is like saying one dog is black, thus all dogs have to be black.

General A'baht used to serve as a fleet commander with the Dornean Navy and his Rank was General there as well, not Admiral.
Yeah, thanks for proving my point there.

That he was a Militia General and a Militia fleet commander ? Did you even read my first statement before trolling all over it, just for the sake of trolling? I never said that in Star Wars you can’t be a General and command a fleet, especially in some system militias. All I said that the Star Wars Galaxy does not necessarily stick to today’s earth rank standards and has no reason to either, or have you ever heard of a really cool rank like “planetary commandant” here on earth?

[HemlockGrey]

Yes, I'm so horrible for going after someone for an unsupported claim that they depend on denying evidence for.

Right, because seeing someone make a reasonable inference purely from the movies is grounds for harshly ripping into them.

Unless you've seen many Moffs around lately.