RotS ICS error?

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Yeah, the production crew and an early issue of Cinefex refered to it as a nebula.

[Illuminatus Primus]

That's still too big; if it rotates to any visible degree within seconds, than it must be perhaps sub-planetary in size.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Well then the proto-star idea sounds pretty good to me.

[Noble Ire]

Well then the proto-star idea sounds pretty good to me.

Thats what I always thought it was.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Well then the proto-star idea sounds pretty good to me.

Thats what I always thought it was.

Pre-stellar accretion disks are planetary system in scale; planetary systems do not visibly rotate.

[Spanky The Dolphin]

Well then why not just call it a MacGuffin.

[Winston Blake]

http://www.theforce.net/swtc/astro.html#spectacle

Other commentators assert that it must be a protostellar disk, a cloud of gas and dust collapsing under gravity to form a new planetary system with a sun at its centre. Or it might be some kind of accretion disk surrounding a black hole or other compact strong gravitating body. Or it might be something yet more exotic, perhaps even something which exudes matter as it rotates, rather than accreting stuff. However it is not clear whether the structure and colouration suits a protostellar disk or accretion disk either. A protostar should be surrounded by dusty molecular cloud material, not open space as seen in the film. The observed rotation is less ludicrous for these smaller kinds of objects than for an entire galaxy, but it is still very problematic.

This topic remains unconcluded; it is possibly the most severe technical difficulty in the whole trilogy.

[Cykeisme]

I'd rather the spinning disc in ESB was substituted with a visual effect of the galaxy that we see in holographic displays throughout the PT. A static galaxy, of course.

Edit: Possibly with the two satellite galaxies visible.. or perhaps even from one of the satellite galaxies, with the other one visible.

[Crown]

I remember reading on this forum that a source pegs the Naboo N-1 starfighter as having a hyperdrive. If I'm not mistaken, the source was the TPM ICS.. can someone check for me?

AotC's has it with a hyperdrive jumps limited to 1000 ly's and able to dock with the Naboo cruiser for extended jumps. It's short range probable due to lack of power from lack of size to put such a power source.

It might not be a lack of power, it could just be a design constraint brought about by cost and RFP. If all it's meant to do is to be a 'inner city family seddan' (sort of speak), it wouldn't have awesome range, 'cause the targetted market doesn't require it.

Whereas those that want long haulers would probably buy something bigger and more luxurious, and more expensive.*

I mean look at the X-Wing, that baby moved.




*We are talking about a civilian or military thing? Either way the example works, I believe.

[Spartan]

The Original Nex wrote:

And since the Shuttle Tydirium did in fact make a hyperdrive jump frm Sullust to Endor Sullust must be < 8000ly from Endor.

No, the ROTJ novelization limits the jump to less than 1,000 light years; which would only be a lower limit for the range of both the shuttle and the rebel fighters.

[Darth Wong]

Of course, one brute-force solution to the TESB ending conundrum is to surmise that the Rebel fleet was actually flying in a big circle around the galaxy at ridiculous hyperspace speed, and that the usual visual effects of hyperspace are not apparent for some unknown reason

[Spartan]

double post.

[Spartan]

Cykeisme wrote:

I remember reading on this forum that a source pegs the Naboo N-1 starfighter as having a hyperdrive. If I'm not mistaken, the source was the TPM ICS.. can someone check for me?

Yes, the N-1's TPM ICS call out does depict a hyperdrive. Remember though relative sizes of the starfighters though:


N-1 11 meters long
X-wing 12.5 meters long
Y-wing 16 meters long
A-wing 9.6 meters long
ARC-170 14.5 meters long

The AOTC novelization states that the Delta-7 was to new to mount a hyperdrive, yet . Although the only Delta-7 seen with a hyperdrive was Anakin's custom modification, in CW Volume 1, and it’s had jury-rigged outboard hyperdrive pods. That said the volume difference between the Delta-7 and the Alpha-3 isn't that large.

Delta-7 Aethersprite

L: 8 meters
W: 3.92 meters
H: 1.44 meters

Alpha-3 Nimbus "V-wing"

L: 7.9 meters
W: 3.8 meters
H: 5.84 meters (wings open)

The Eta-2 is much smaller

L: 5.47 meters
W: 4.3 meters
H: 2.5 meters (wings open)

Since we are forced to accept that the Delta-7 can mount a hyperdrive, it seems somewhat unrealistic to suggest that the V-wing could not, only due to its size.



Does any one no if the N-1 has and actual name?

[Crazedwraith]

Adi Gaila's prototype Delta 7 had inbuilt hyperdrive as well. Ref: Jedi Starfighter

[Knife]

It might not be a lack of power, it could just be a design constraint brought about by cost and RFP. If all it's meant to do is to be a 'inner city family seddan' (sort of speak), it wouldn't have awesome range, 'cause the targetted market doesn't require it.

Whereas those that want long haulers would probably buy something bigger and more luxurious, and more expensive.*

I mean look at the X-Wing, that baby moved.

That's possible too. My personal pet theory is the sublight engines supply power for the hyperdrive motivator. The N-1, for a PT micro fighter, actually has decent sized engines for it's size compared to the Delta 7 and Actis.

But just because you have a hyperdrive doesn't mean you need to jump across the galaxy with it. So it's possible they developed the fighter to defend their sector or immeadiate starsystems and didn't opped for the short range gear.

*We are talking about a civilian or military thing? Either way the example works, I believe.

The military fighters of Naboo.

[Lord Revan]

That's possible too. My personal pet theory is the sublight engines supply power for the hyperdrive motivator. The N-1, for a PT micro fighter, actually has decent sized engines for it's size compared to the Delta 7 and Actis.

But just because you have a hyperdrive doesn't mean you need to jump across the galaxy with it. So it's possible they developed the fighter to defend their sector or immeadiate starsystems and didn't opped for the short range gear.

that theory fails due to Hyperspace capable TIEs (TIE/X1, TIE/A, TIE/D and a modified TIE/I) all have relative small engines.

[Knife]

that theory fails due to Hyperspace capable TIEs (TIE/X1, TIE/A, TIE/D and a modified TIE/I) all have relative small engines.

Not really. The Tie X1 actually has four engines instead of the standard two. The TieD has a power source powerful enough to support shields and extra weapons that the other Ties do not have, so what ever power source it does have (whether engines or power core or whatever) it is obviously more powerful than the standard Tie set up. I'm pretty sure the Avenger has four engines too like the Tie X1.

That just leaves us with the Interceptor to explain. *shrug* It's suppost to be faster than the standard Tie, but no real difference other than the solar panels.

I can just as easily say that it has more powerful engines that the standard set up to get that extra acceleration with roughly the same mass as the standard TIE.

Side note, since the TIE Avenger and the TIE Advance has four engines, shouldn't we call them FIE's or QIE's?

[Lord Revan]

Side note, since the TIE Avenger and the TIE Advance has four engines, shouldn't we call them FIE's or QIE's?

QIEs (quad ion engine) and the TIE Avenger has only two engines (though these are little bigger then in the regular TIEs (but not enough(same with the TIE/X1 and TIE/D)).
The Fact that A-wings (dispite of their huge engines) had very limited hyperscape capablites suggests that the engines do not power the hyperdrive.

[Firefox]

The T/D has three ion engines, so the TIE designator would still fit (Triple Ion Engine). Although, despite the four-engine arrangements of the Avenger and Advanced, wouldn't the TIE title come from the fact that it's from the same basic design of the other TIEs?

[The Original Nex]

The Original Nex wrote:

And since the Shuttle Tydirium did in fact make a hyperdrive jump frm Sullust to Endor Sullust must be < 8000ly from Endor.

No, the ROTJ novelization limits the jump to less than 1,000 light years; which would only be a lower limit for the range of both the shuttle and the rebel fighters.

I said the jump must have been less than 8000ly. <1000ly is also <8000ly I just didn't have the novelization handy when I made that post.

[Knife]

QIEs (quad ion engine) and the TIE Avenger has only two engines (though these are little bigger then in the regular TIEs (but not enough(same with the TIE/X1 and TIE/D)).

Since we don't know how much energy it takes to power a motivator, why would you just come out and say "But not enough" in reference to how many Ion Engines are needed. We know that the TIE engines are powerful for their size, to get a fighter going as well as other fighters. The X1 and the Avenger and the Defender has an extended hull that gives room for more power and a motivator.

The Fact that A-wings (dispite of their huge engines) had very limited hyperscape capablites suggests that the engines do not power the hyperdrive.

Could be a fuel issue due to size and volume of the ship or as brought up by Crown, a desing feature. The Awing is an interceptor, it wouldn't need to jump really damn far to fill it's mission.