When watching AOTC, did anyone feel...

[Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi]

If they make a Special Edition of AotC, I'll expect stupider positions. One will hold the lighsaber backwards, another would use the lightsaber with his feet, another would jugglge his lightsaber while doing flips, another would have one had on the lighsaber, an the other in his pants, and another would be a 6-armed CGI alien with 4 lightsabers, and would make a bunch of wierd noises.

It really bugs me when they try to make things flashy with dumb things like that. They should have just re-did the lightsaber fight scene. And, cut out that scene in the Geonosis conference room with the Techno Union robot. That was gay.

[Acclamator]

If they make a Special Edition of AotC, I'll expect stupider positions. One will hold the lighsaber backwards, another would use the lightsaber with his feet, another would jugglge his lightsaber while doing flips, another would have one had on the lighsaber, an the other in his pants, and another would be a 6-armed CGI alien with 4 lightsabers, and would make a bunch of wierd noises.

It really bugs me when they try to make things flashy with dumb things like that. They should have just re-did the lightsaber fight scene. And, cut out that scene in the Geonosis conference room with the Techno Union robot. That was gay.

Jango will also fire his blaster in the sideways "gangsta position".

[Vympel]

And, cut out that scene in the Geonosis conference room with the Techno Union robot. That was gay.

Jango will also fire his blaster in the sideways "gangsta position".[/quote]

I didn't have a problem with the Techno Union guy.

It seems that we all agree that this flashy fappage bullshit was the worst part of AOTC. A minor complaint- but it still pisses me off.

[neoolong]

The Asian female Jedi was Bultar Swan. She is supposedly a skilled Jedi Knight.

[Raptor 597]

I also think the Zabra was Eeth Koth, he was supposedly at Geonosis, only Council member not there was Depa Bilba.

[Shocker]

This theory was posted by Icehawk 151 on spacebattles.com recently.

Inexperienced fighters who are overly arrogant usually try to show off. It is my belief that the Jedi who fought in the Arena were not seasoned Jedi Knights, nonetheless Masters. You have to take the situation in context to understand why the Jedi were so flashy.
The Republic is at current a single breath away from an all out civil war. Thousands of Star Systems have already declared their intentions to secede. TPM established that the Senate uses the Jedi Knights to wrest control of dangerous situations, and Palpatine’s Senate is no different. At the beginning of the movie we learn that Obi Wan and Anikan had been off diffusing a dangerous situation.
“Master Obi Wan has just returned from a border dispute on Antion”-Windu.
Obi Wan is a very important man. Yoda and Windu made it quite clear that the Council regarded the training of Anikan as a very important event. The fact that the council sent the duo to end a border dispute tells me that Yoda is using the most seasoned Jedi he has in an attempt to hold the Republic together. Also, remember the scene within the Jedi Temple. The massive hallways that Yoda, Windu, and Kenobi were walking through we almost empty. It is clear that Yoda teaches here, and yet we see no group of students walking about. We barley see more than ten of fifteen Jedi walking about. The largest concentration of Jedi we see in the Temple is Yoda’s class of children.
The Jedi are not just sitting around.
When Yoda and Windu were speaking in the Senate Chamber Windu said he would “Gather what Jedi we have left”.
This all leads me to believe that the Core Grouping of Seasoned Jedi Masters are currently active and spread throughout the galaxy.
The group of 100 Jedi that Windu leads into the arena were not seasoned Jedi Knights. They were, in my opinion, the group of arrogant Students and apprentices that Yoda was speaking off before. If you pay attention to the “ignition” scene when all the Jedi reveal their presence you should notice something. The Jedi Council itself is present in the taskforce!! And, when those Jedi Masters ignite their Sabers they seem to simply stand there. Not much in the way of flashy presentation is involved. Hell, when Windu ignited his blade he had absolutely no presentation. He simply placed the blade at the neck of the Bounty Hunter, the closest threat, in order to immobilize him.
The battle itself gleans credence to my theory as well. Windu, Kenobi, and the other council members stay on the ground. They do as little movement as possible. The other Jedi however are jumping all over the place. It seems as though they are not taking the situation seriously.
And the final scene with the Jedi in the Arena is my main point. At the end of the arena battle you had a group of 12 or so Jedi surrounded by the Droid Army. When Dooku orders the army to stand down the droids herd in four more Jedi. These four Jedi had been separated from the main group, and yet still survived to the final moments. Amongst these four was a member of the Jedi Council. It would seem to me that the Young Jedi didn’t take the situation seriously and for their arrogance they died. The more seasoned Knights pulled back in an attempt to protect themselves in a larger group and three or four Masters were able to keep themselves alive even while they were separated from the main group.

The Young Knights were way too flashy, but it appears to me the Masters and Knights knew better.

Seems like a very reasonable possibility to me.
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[neoolong]

Not to nitpick, but according to starwars.com there were 200 Jedi at Genosis, not 100.

[His Divine Shadow]

thought I should drop over to this site and see how things are going. Never expected to be the subject of a thread! How very bizare!:oops:

Noticed that there were questions and puzzlements about "what happenned to Bob", well a while back anyhow ....

So here we go:

Well its been long enough that I am not interested any longer in "calling names" and laying blame (I don't even remember all the names involved)~ so I wont even try.

Suffice to say - it was a combination of many things ...

But I suppoose there were two MAIN factors:
(1) the new unrecoverable depths that SW has fallen to
(2) the selfish and down-right rude antics of a few specific board-hoarders

number (2) I wont detail 'cause it just doesnt matter anymore, as I menioned above...
and :
number (1) I wont discuss in detail because I have seen all too frequently how fanboiz react when anyone threatens their religious icons in any way (eg: anyone DARING to ask if AoTC was less than the greatest thing since sliced bread in a public forum, usually leads to a 50-post flame war and people being banned from sites!).

So, suffice to say I have fallen to the DarkSide (no NOT trek!) and am no longer a SW fan. The toys & books are all packed away in boxes and may never see the light of day again. SW has lost ALL of its charm for me in EVERYWAY. I have escaped the evil LFL empire and feel SO much better! (try it! you'll see!)

I no longer have to either prostitute my principles in order to accept what SW has turned into (as many commentators have done, turning tricks to try to "fit" the new crap into the old vision) - nor lie awake sleepless worrying about how to tell everytone HOW it has all gone wrong ... it just doesnt matter anymore

Anyhow, enuff of all that crap ... I just decided it was too much effort for no return - it stopped being an enjoyable hobby about 5 years ago. So I just plain stopped.

Sorry if I have caused you any offense - and I am sorry that the synicon discussion board died (that was at least partially accidental, and partially due to reason (2)) ...

I would like to thank the good guys of X-WingLegacy for hosting this forum - it helps me to feel a LOT less guilty at having deprived you all of a site to meet and discuss all those things which you still feel are worth discussing.

If anyone has a REALLY urgent and important issue they need to raise with me, I kinda sorta can still be contacted thru Saxman on special and rare events only (I'll trust him to only send thru worthwhile stuff), but please believe me ... I am now officially a RETIRED StarWars fan (much to the delight of the Reynolds, Saxtons & Wongs of this world) ... so don't expect me to go to much effort trying to answer any SW questions or express any SW opinions (you REALLY wouldnt want to hear what I think of SW these days) ~ I'm simply not interested anymore.

I am now beyond all redemption, and will never now turn back from the DarkSide. It is too late for me, my children

well - thats it for me guys ... it was a blast while it lasted. If you can still squeeze a few more drops of fun outta the horrible mess that SW has become, then good on you, and all the best!

Clear Ether
NanooNanoo
QX
and most importantly of all ...
THINK FOR YOURSELVES
farewell!

No updates on the way, I'm afraid.

Whats his problem? Most specifically with Saxton, Wong & Reynolds?

[Ted]

Yoda appears to be about two foot six. Incidentally, you guys miss Yoda and Obi-Wans obvious arrogance later in the scene. Obi-Wan demanded earlier that Anakin "do his duty," and Obi-Wan told him that if they could stop Dooku, they could "end this war right now." Later, Yoda is faced with a choice--he can go after Dooku, or save Anakin and Obi-Wan. He chooses to temporarily disregard the fate of the Galaxy and the Republic to save Obi-Wan and Anakin. One can argue that he was destined to do so--he was--but if we subscribe to such an idea, we must also believe that Yoda was ALWAYS destined to decide to save Anakin, instead of saving the Republic. He made a clearly anti-dmeocratic decision, which ends up destroying millions--possibly billions--of lives.

The other thing with Yoda's decision is, why did he decide to stop the thing from falling, why didn't he just nudge it enough so that it wouldn't fall on Anakin and Obi-Wan, that way he would've been able to get Dooku.

[Tsyroc]

The other thing with Yoda's decision is, why did he decide to stop the thing from falling, why didn't he just nudge it enough so that it wouldn't fall on Anakin and Obi-Wan, that way he would've been able to get Dooku.

Good point, instead of catching it couldn't he have deflected it towards Dooku or Dooku's ship?

[Illuminatus Primus]

I heard (take w/ grain of salt) that Yoda was originally going to try and hold Dooku's ship and hold up the column simultaneously, struggle, then choose to save Anakin and Obi-Wan.

[Mr Bean]

Better idea idiot Jedi, See Dooku

See Dooku's Ship

Slice Dooku's ship in 1/2

Laugh


Hell even putting a Lightsaber hole in the cockpit would have stoped him

Jedi or Not
Explosive Decompress=Death

[Tsyroc]

Better idea idiot Jedi, See Dooku

See Dooku's Ship

Slice Dooku's ship in 1/2

Laugh


Hell even putting a Lightsaber hole in the cockpit would have stoped him

Jedi or Not
Explosive Decompress=Death

I though for a moment that Anakin was going to do something like that but all he did was cut the power cable which ended up only messing with the lights in the cavern.

[Vendetta]

Their initial stances are nothing like I'd use from my training with a katana.

The one with her legs crossed in the first scene is somewhere near a valid stance, but she's gotten it completely wrong, if that's what she were going for (Gyakku Kutsu, a stance with 70% of the weight on the front leg, and he back foot off the ground, with the knees locked together, lowers the centre of gravity, and is very stable for making good powerful cuts).

Some of them use recognisable moves in the fight, but most are wasting energy putting power into cuts far before they would actually hit a target.

For all their 'force awareness', a properly trained Samurai would kill ayone we've seen on screen very quickly.

[Graeme Dice]

For all their 'force awareness', a properly trained Samurai would kill ayone we've seen on screen very quickly.

Care to put some qualifiers on that statement.

Or do you seriously believe that a normal human could keep up with Yoda, absorb the lightning from Dooku and Palpatine, while at the same time using a metal sword to miraculously deflect a lightsaber?

[Raptor 597]

For all their 'force awareness', a properly trained Samurai would kill ayone we've seen on screen very quickly.

Care to put some qualifiers on that statement.

Or do you seriously believe that a normal human could keep up with Yoda, absorb the lightning from Dooku and Palpatine, while at the same time using a metal sword to miraculously deflect a lightsaber?

No, he was speaking of the Average Jedi Knights in the arena Battle, and without the fancy force powers, going head on Dueling skills, he's implying the Samurai could hold off the average Jedi, I believe.

[pecker]

For all their 'force awareness', a properly trained Samurai would kill ayone we've seen on screen very quickly.

Care to put some qualifiers on that statement.

Or do you seriously believe that a normal human could keep up with Yoda, absorb the lightning from Dooku and Palpatine, while at the same time using a metal sword to miraculously deflect a lightsaber?

No, he was speaking of the Average Jedi Knights in the arena Battle, and without the fancy force powers, going head on Dueling skills, he's implying the Samurai could hold off the average Jedi, I believe.

Why does everyone assume they were going into a dueling stance, considering there was nobody to duel?

[Typhonis 1]

I`m surprised the Genosians werent taking airborne pot shots at the Jedi or even droping grenades on there heads

[pecker]

I`m surprised the Genosians werent taking airborne pot shots at the Jedi or even droping grenades on there heads

There were Geonosians in the arena. However, SW.com states that the warriors were pretty stupid.

[pecker]

Also, their guns seemed to have a pretty strong recoil. Could be that firing one while flying would be less than healthy.

[Master of Ossus]

Also, their guns seemed to have a pretty strong recoil. Could be that firing one while flying would be less than healthy.

I find that likely. ICS II informs us that the Geonosian warriors are good at defense, but poor at attacking. That would be consistent with a group that had great difficulty firing their weapons while airborne, and considerably less difficulty firing while on the ground.

[Pcm979]

I find that likely. ICS II informs us that the Geonosian warriors are good at defense, but poor at attacking. That would be consistent with a group that had great difficulty firing their weapons while airborne, and considerably less difficulty firing while on the ground.

Which brings up the question of why they couldn't whip up a few blasters for their defence forces- they were certainly making them for the droids, weren't they?

[Stuart Mackey]

Yoda appears to be about two foot six. Incidentally, you guys miss Yoda and Obi-Wans obvious arrogance later in the scene. Obi-Wan demanded earlier that Anakin "do his duty," and Obi-Wan told him that if they could stop Dooku, they could "end this war right now." Later, Yoda is faced with a choice--he can go after Dooku, or save Anakin and Obi-Wan. He chooses to temporarily disregard the fate of the Galaxy and the Republic to save Obi-Wan and Anakin. One can argue that he was destined to do so--he was--but if we subscribe to such an idea, we must also believe that Yoda was ALWAYS destined to decide to save Anakin, instead of saving the Republic. He made a clearly anti-dmeocratic decision, which ends up destroying millions--possibly billions--of lives.

Obi-Wan was applying his knowledge gained from his time on Gionosis and the cloning facility in this instance. Taken in isolation it could lead him to beleive that Dooku is the prime mover behind events, and killing Dooku would remove link that holds the enemy together.
Yoda does not know the fate of the galaxy nor does he know what Palpatine is, allthough I beleive hs suspects. Yoda's actions were tactical in nature, but also he possibly felt that ignoring Dooku was preferable, as Dooku is the sith apprentice. Yoda is also imperfectly aware of how events are being shaped, and by whom.

It is not wise to second guess someone in a fight, as we dont know the pressures, stress or motives of the poeple involved and how that effects their actions. To call Yoda's choice anti-democratic is incorrect, as you are applying your knowledge of the series of movies, to a tactical situation where the players are imperfctly aware of the very nature of events, over which they have, ultimatly, no control. The Jedi only see half of the strategic situation, if that, and that is probably a veiw shaped by Palpatine. Remember you can only act on what you know.