RE-reading the RoTS Novel and Learning

[Darth Fanboy]

If they've already been discussed in depth please ignore me I guess, but these passages i'm finding interesting.

He is built to dominate. The ceramic armorplast plates prtecting limbs and torso and face can stop a burst from a starfgighter's laser cannon

General Grievous has body armor that can stop starfighter laser cannons. Starfighter laser cannons ifor SW in the past have been given low KT yields. That is damn good armor.

...Home Fleet Strike Group Five: three Carrack-class light cruisers-Integrity, Indomitable, and Preserverance-in support of the Dreadnaught Mas Ramdar

Home Fleet Strike Group Five is mentioned, implying that there are at least four more. Which if i'm thinking straight means that there are at least twenty capital ships, if not more. If the composition of these strike groups are similar then at least fifteen Carrack Cruisers and Five Dreadnaughts defend Coruscant alone. I would have really been nice to have a Star Destroyer mentioned around somewhere so I could try and conjure up a ration of support ships to Star Destroyers but hey, i've never been an expert at that.

Later lines in the next paragraph also show that the severely damaged Invisible Hand was dealing out as much damage as the surviving ships of Stroke Group Five. the Dreadnaught and one of the Carracks are neutered for all practical purposes.

[Darth Fanboy]

After all, he had often walked unscathed through hornet-swarms of blasterfire, defended only by the Force's direction of his blade; countering twelve blows per second was only difficult, not impossible.

Obi-Wan's Force-enhanced reflexes commented on during his fight with against General Grievous. Twelve per second sounds pretty frelling fast to me.

But Obi-Wan's arm had the Force to give it strength, and the general's arm only had the unnate crystalline intermolecular structure of duranium alloy. Grievous' forearm bent like a cheap spoon.

The earlier quote I posted talks about Grievous' armor being able to take starfighter cannon shots and here Obi Wan seems to be bending it with ease? Okay its probably not his thickest armor and the starfighter cannon shot thing is pretty far out there. But duranium is one of the strongest alloys in Star Wars is it not? Obi Wan is bending it like it was nothing.

I hope im not repeating stuff and looking like a doof too badly, but hey can't be helped sometimes.



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[Vympel]

I already made a novelization quote thread.

[Darth Fanboy]

I didn't remember seeing any of those particular lines in that thread. Doh!

EDIT: ALthough I didn't want this to be so much a quote thread as much as it could be a discussion of the canon examples being given on how strong a Jedi can be, but hey, if its been done its been done and y'all can ignore me.

[NecronLord]

General Grievous has body armor that can stop starfighter laser cannons. Starfighter laser cannons ifor SW in the past have been given low KT yields. That is damn good armor.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who considers that hyperbole. There's no way he could take such a blast without some kind of shielding. If nothing else, the heat dumped into the air would boil his internal organs.

[Pcm979]

Well, it doesn't say that he'd survive the blast, does it?

[FedRebel]

I thought Trek just used "duranium alloy", it would be interesting if they were both the same material.

[Darth Yoshi]

The earlier quote I posted talks about Grievous' armor being able to take starfighter cannon shots and here Obi Wan seems to be bending it with ease? Okay its probably not his thickest armor and the starfighter cannon shot thing is pretty far out there. But duranium is one of the strongest alloys in Star Wars is it not? Obi Wan is bending it like it was nothing.

I hope im not repeating stuff and looking like a doof too badly, but hey can't be helped sometimes.

Well, it could be that the arm bent along the elbow joint.

[Darksider]

I think the quote is talking about Obi-Wan bending the armor plate in front of Grievous' remaining internal organs

EDIT: After reading the quote again, I see that I am wrong. I should know better than to post at seven in the morning......

[Sea Skimmer]

So does the novel explain how the Separatist attack force got inside Coruscants shield?

[Crown]

So does the novel explain how the Separatist attack force got inside Coruscants shield?

Not that I remember ... I think it was mentioned in LoE though, and I got the impression that it was shields at this point in Coruscant's history.

[Noble Ire]

So does the novel explain how the Separatist attack force got inside Coruscants shield?

Its not very clear, but apparently, GG and his fleet used a secret hyperspace route given to them by Sidious to jump quite close to Coruscant and its traffic lanes, and the fleet was able to get under the shields before the defensive forces figured out what was going on and activated the planetary defenses.

Not that I remember ... I think it was mentioned in LoE though, and I got the impression that it was shields at this point in Coruscant's history.

I was under the impression even later planetary shields behaved in the same way, ie multiple generators contributing to one network (like on Bothawui, or the harvest planet Thrawn attacked.) It does have another, lower network of large theater shields as well though.

[Darth Fanboy]

I thought that only parts of Coruscant were shielded, shields over certain dsitricts and such, but that the entire planet itself at this point in its existence wasn't entirely shielded. I need to go look at LoE again and try and find that mention of a a "district shield" or something along those lines.

[Noble Ire]

I thought that only parts of Coruscant were shielded, shields over certain dsitricts and such, but that the entire planet itself at this point in its existence wasn't entirely shielded. I need to go look at LoE again and try and find that mention of a a "district shield" or something along those lines.

THat's not the impression that I got. It seemed as though there were "district" theater shields over certain areas, as an added layer of protection beneath the planetary shield, but when the CIS fleet got beneath it, some distrcits had no protection from the falling hulks of battleships.

[DocHorror]

Given the shear amount of traffic it is unlikely that the whole of Courscant was shielded. Its more likely that the sensitive areas were shielded while commercial and industrial ports were unshieldedl.

[Darth Fanboy]

THat's not the impression that I got. It seemed as though there were "district" theater shields over certain areas, as an added layer of protection beneath the planetary shield, but when the CIS fleet got beneath it, some distrcits had no protection from the falling hulks of battleships.

If the district shields were not the primary method of shielding then sections of the shield would have to be continuously lowered and raised repeatedly in order to handle the insane amounts of traffic to and from the planet. Either way, it would seem the shields were upgraded by the Empire quite nicely by the time of "Wedge's Gamble"

[Noble Ire]

If the district shields were not the primary method of shielding then sections of the shield would have to be continuously lowered and raised repeatedly in order to handle the insane amounts of traffic to and from the planet. Either way, it would seem the shields were upgraded by the Empire quite nicely by the time of "Wedge's Gamble"

Why would the shield be raised at all times anyways? Even if you had a very well segmented system, there would be no point in keeping the shields up constantly. Heck, by the time of the Battle of Coruscant, the planet hadnt suffered a direct attack for a thousnad years. The only reason that GG's fleet was able to get under the defense network is because they used virtually unkown hyperspace routes to jump into the system from a position that was complete unexpected (LoE.) Normally, the planet would have plenty of time to raise shields and stop traffic while the enemy fleet moved close enough to attack and was waylayed by the defense fleet and combat stations (as seen when the Vong take Coruscant.)

[Lord Pounder]

Given the shear amount of traffic it is unlikely that the whole of Courscant was shielded. Its more likely that the sensitive areas were shielded while commercial and industrial ports were unshieldedl.

Why not, by the time of the X-Wing novels there are 3 layers of shielding on Coruscant and each is on 24/7, only deactivated occasionally to let traffic through and even then only a small window at a tome is opened.

[Pcm979]

Because that's wartime Coruscant, under martial law as opposed to a Coruscant that's
A) Under no threat, as far as they know and
B) Being undermined from within.

[Techno_Union]

Because that's wartime Coruscant, under martial law as opposed to a Coruscant that's

I thought Coruscant was under Martial Law during ROTS?

[Darth Fanboy]

Because that's wartime Coruscant, under martial law as opposed to a Coruscant that's

I thought Coruscant was under Martial Law during ROTS?

Martial Law was imposed after the "Jedi Rebellion" and the fire at the Temple, but Im not clear on how long that actually held up or how many times the planet had been under martial law previously.

[Connor MacLeod]

General Grievous has body armor that can stop starfighter laser cannons. Starfighter laser cannons ifor SW in the past have been given low KT yields. That is damn good armor.

I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who considers that hyperbole. There's no way he could take such a blast without some kind of shielding.

Why? It gives no indication of the actual yield of the laser (it could be in the gigajoule range, and that might simply refer to the ability to thermally resist the energy. And it may not even factor in momnetum (which it would be darned impossible to stop.. and too great a momentum would be fatal to him in any event without some sort of secondary bracing.

On top of that "stopping" a single burst does not mean it does so without taking damage or can withstand sustained fire of such.

And its hardly unprecedented.. the same was said of YVH droids.

If nothing else, the heat dumped into the air would boil his internal organs.

Probably depends on the "climate control" capability of his organs (there has to be some sort of enviromental control for his organs, since he can survive in vaccuum with that semi-exposed organ sac.) Without knowing the exact properties of the materials its hard to say anyhow what it would or wouldn't do.

[Connor MacLeod]

But Obi-Wan's arm had the Force to give it strength, and the general's arm only had the unnate crystalline intermolecular structure of duranium alloy. Grievous' forearm bent like a cheap spoon.

The earlier quote I posted talks about Grievous' armor being able to take starfighter cannon shots and here Obi Wan seems to be bending it with ease? Okay its probably not his thickest armor and the starfighter cannon shot thing is pretty far out there. But duranium is one of the strongest alloys in Star Wars is it not? Obi Wan is bending it like it was nothing.

Err. bending it implies that he's applying brute force, not enegy to the arm (he's not melting or vaporizing the metal now is he?) The quote likely refers to the armor's thermal resistance, since the primary damage mechanism of a laser weapon IS energy.

[Darth Fanboy]

Obi-Wan slammed the elbow of his blocking arm into the general's clavicle while he yanked as hard as he could on the stomach plate, and it ripped free in his hand. Behind it hung a translucent sac of synthskin containing a tangle of green and gray organs.

The true body of the alien inside the droid.

A sac of translucent "synthskin" contains Grievous' organs. If that helps anything.