A-wing too big

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2005-07-27 11:22pm

The people at Deckplans Alliance have discovered that the A-wing's official size of 9.6 meters is in fact too big. Through studying the studio model they concluded it is in fact around 4.8 meters in length. Read up on it in their Studio Model Research section.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-07-28 12:10am

If this is true, the Actis' size doesn't seem so outlandish. In fact, the A-Wing appears to be smaller in every dimension, although it does not have an empty corridor in the middle.

Firefox · Post by **Firefox** » 2005-07-28 12:18am

Indeed. The Eta-2's only 5.47m long. And the A-wing has a hyperdrive and shields to boot. It also lacks a separate droid, relying on an integrated nav system.

Yikes.

Admiral Drason · Post by **Admiral Drason** » 2005-07-28 12:29am

For all those who hate the Tie Defender they can now suck on it since the A-Wing is much smaller with alot of the same systems. but without the extra lasers and Ion cannons.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-07-28 01:05am

actually volume-wise the Jedi interceptors are far too small compared ot the A-wing. The A-wing is much bulkier.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2005-07-28 01:16am

Funny that 9.6 is exactly twice 4.8...

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-07-28 01:53am

Connor MacLeod wrote:actually volume-wise the Jedi interceptors are far too small compared ot the A-wing. The A-wing is much bulkier.

How small is "too small"? Is the A-Wing close enough for the Actis to make sense?

Adam Reynolds · Post by **Adam Reynolds** » 2005-07-28 03:08am

[quote="Admiral Drason"]For all those who hate the Tie Defender they can now suck on it since the A-Wing is much smaller with alot of the same systems. but without the extra lasers and Ion cannons. [/quote]

But the A-wing never was suposed to be the best at everything the way the TIE Defender was

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-07-28 04:00am

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:actually volume-wise the Jedi interceptors are far too small compared ot the A-wing. The A-wing is much bulkier.
How small is "too small"? Is the A-Wing close enough for the Actis to make sense?

Hell no. Watch ROTS. The cross-section of the Jedi interceptor is incredibly THIN. That thing is in fact basically just cockpit and wings (much less so than the TIE fighter in fact.)

Lord Sander · Post by **Lord Sander** » 2005-07-28 11:23am

Wow, I just resized the A-wing in comparison to an X-wing and landspeeder, and the X-wing suddenly becomes HUGE by comparison. Observe: Clicky

Comosicus · Post by **Comosicus** » 2005-07-28 03:23pm

Lord Sander wrote:Wow, I just resized the A-wing in comparison to an X-wing and landspeeder, and the X-wing suddenly becomes HUGE by comparison. Observe: Clicky

That's a huge difference indeed. I was always under the impression that both crafts were almost equal in size.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2005-07-28 03:58pm

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:actually volume-wise the Jedi interceptors are far too small compared ot the A-wing. The A-wing is much bulkier.
How small is "too small"? Is the A-Wing close enough for the Actis to make sense?

No. The A wing is a wedge, and has more volume than the Actis. The Actis, as said earlier, is flat.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-07-28 04:30pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:How small is "too small"? Is the A-Wing close enough for the Actis to make sense?
Hell no. Watch ROTS. The cross-section of the Jedi interceptor is incredibly THIN. That thing is in fact basically just cockpit and wings (much less so than the TIE fighter in fact.)

Damnit. I was hoping that this was going to be some justification for the Actis being so widely used by non-Jedi pilots, without it simply being a wankish micro-fighter.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-07-29 02:16am

Nope! Afraid' it's just a Wankish Micro Fighter! ((patents cool phrase))

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-07-29 02:24am

Not really, since ICS nerfed it. I still don't get why the Jedi had to fly that and not a V-Wing or an ARC-170, but whatever ...

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2005-07-29 04:38am

Well, I've just taken a look at screencaps from ROTJ (widescreen AND fullscreen both) - the scene in question is the docking bay panorama before Han gives Lando the Falcon for the battle. In that scene we see two distant figures walking up to the A-wing and walk a bit behind it. Anyhow, we get a pretty good glimpse of the A-wing's width. using the standing figures (well walking) as a benchmark. Going by a pixel comparison, the width of the A-wing is like 2.5-2.72 times the figure's height. Assuming a height of 6 feet (about 1.82 meters) this leads to an approximate width of between 4.5 and 5 meters.

(if you went with a shorter height, say.. 1.5 meters.. or about 5 feet tall.. the absolute minimum is 3.75 meters wide.)

I havent been able to scale the length to width ratio, but I would guess its length is around 1.5 to 2 times its width. If true, the absolute minimum length of the A-wing is around 5.63 meters. The upper end of the "length" scale would easily correspond to the 9.6 meter figure...

Either way, it doesn't seem quite "possible" that the A-wing is as small as they claim. And since they don't appear to post any of their work or scaling... *shrugs* Its hard to verify their claims. I'm inclined to believe the A-wing is larger than they're saying, though. Even if the 9.6 meter length is wrong.

Zwinmar · Post by **Zwinmar** » 2005-07-29 11:35am

Id have to agree with Connor here, the A-wing isnt as tiny as people think. Anyways, its main attribute is speed. Hence Ackbars A-wing slash

000 · Post by **000** » 2005-07-29 11:40am

bel Iblis's, I believe.

Tiger Ace · Post by **Tiger Ace** » 2005-07-29 11:48am

gladius wrote:bel Iblis's, I believe.

Ackbars.

000 · Post by **000** » 2005-07-29 12:00pm

bel Iblis's-- he invented the maneuver on the fly in an unnamed battle during Thrawn's campaign. See The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook and The Last Command.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2005-07-29 12:38pm

The A-wing Slash was intented by General Garm Bel Iblis during the thrawn campain. In it a squad of X-Wings will hide right behind a squad of A-Wings, the A-Wings will draw off a capital ships fighter screen giving the X-Wings a free run at the afore mentioned capital ship.

The Ackbar Slash invloved steering a capital ship between 2 hostile capital ships causing them to either be very careful firing or hit their allies.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2005-07-29 01:48pm

Lord Pounder wrote:The A-wing Slash was intented by General Garm Bel Iblis during the thrawn campain. In it a squad of X-Wings will hide right behind a squad of A-Wings, the A-Wings will draw off a capital ships fighter screen giving the X-Wings a free run at the afore mentioned capital ship.

Wrong way roud. the A-Wing hide behind the more durable X-Wings.

Pelleaon pull its off with Preybirds in the place of X-Wings and torpedeos in the place off A-Wings in the Final Chapter of Spectre of the Past

seanrobertson · Post by **seanrobertson** » 2005-07-29 06:35pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:Well, I've just taken a look at screencaps from ROTJ (widescreen AND fullscreen both) - the scene in question is the docking bay panorama before Han gives Lando the Falcon for the battle. In that scene we see two distant figures walking up to the A-wing and walk a bit behind it. Anyhow, we get a pretty good glimpse of the A-wing's width. using the standing figures (well walking) as a benchmark. Going by a pixel comparison, the width of the A-wing is like 2.5-2.72 times the figure's height. Assuming a height of 6 feet (about 1.82 meters) this leads to an approximate width of between 4.5 and 5 meters.

Damn good approximation!

I measured the person carrying the boxes. I assumed the character was a man of average height (about 178 cm):

You probably can't make out the text in these things--I didn't want to post a number of ponderous images on the board--but, based on the above, I found the A-Wing was no less than 7.1m long.

That's conservative for one good reason, and potentially another:

*The A-Wing is more distant from the camera than the person I measured.
*The box-mover could have been quite tall.

I havent been able to scale the length to width ratio, but I would guess its length is around 1.5 to 2 times its width. If true, the absolute minimum length of the A-wing is around 5.63 meters. The upper end of the "length" scale would easily correspond to the 9.6 meter figure...

Very good guess, man

(The A's 1.54 times longer than it is wide, if we want to be really exact.

)

Either way, it doesn't seem quite "possible" that the A-wing is as small as they claim. And since they don't appear to post any of their work or scaling... *shrugs* Its hard to verify their claims. I'm inclined to believe the A-wing is larger than they're saying, though. Even if the 9.6 meter length is wrong.

I agree.

I wasn't wholly satisfied with the hangar scene so I looked elsewhere. I decided to measure an A-Wing pilot's head using the studio model/pilot figure and a vidcap of the kamikaze pilot. I operated with the assumption that either pilots' head--the actor's or the goofy figure's--is a standard .2m wide.

In the former case, I found that the A-Wing was 22.5 times wider than the pilot's noggin (moreover, as the comparison shows, the fighter's aft "fins'" height is comparable to an avg. man's); and in the latter, the fighter was roughly twenty-eight times wider, or ~5.6m wide. That would indicate it's 6.9 to 8.6m long--approaching the "disputed" figure and, in any case, much higher than Deckplans Alliance's findings.

I think those gents need to take a second look at their figures. Given the 1.54/1 length-to-width ratio I mentioned above, their 4.8m figure would mean the fighter's only 3.1m wide! Consequently, the pilot's head must be between a puny 11-13.9 cm in diameter

I don't think so. Hank the Angry, Drunken Dwarf didn't see any action at the Battle of Endor.