Did Palpatine organize the "Shmi Skywalker incident&quo

Totenkopf · Post by **Totenkopf** » 2002-12-02 07:07pm

In ESB, Vader tortured Leia & company to get to Luke. He knew Luke would pick up on this via the force, and come running, whereupon he could hopefully be turned to the dark side.

In AoTC, Shmi was tortured for a long time, until Anakin picked up on it via the force and came running, whereupon he proceeded to turn toward the dark side.

Besides, what other purpose would the Tusken raiders have in keeping her for so long?

So, is it possible that Palpatine was behind that?

It would be cool if he was - the revelation of that fact in EpIII would be a "SW moment" worthy of standing shoulder to shoulder with "Luke, I am your father"

Sardaukar · Post by **Sardaukar** » 2002-12-02 08:04pm

Probably not, that's as bad as having Palpatine be the father of Anakin.

According to the book, the Tuskens were keeping her to test her endurance, as they were planning more atacks on nearby settlements.

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2002-12-02 08:11pm

I don't know if Palpy will be behind the death of Anakin's mother. I would bet Palpy felt Anakin's distress over the loss of his mother.

I do feel he will be somehow behind the death of Padme. Palpy would then turn around and place the blame on the Jedi order. It would be a good way to justify Obi-wan's comment about Vader hunting down and killing most of the Jedi.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-12-02 08:17pm

I doubt it. Not everything was done by Palpatine. he didn't too do everything too acheive power. Just loosen a few parts here and there nand he has himself an Empire. Just guide things your way, and n his power he didn't have too do that much.

Lord Sauron-Tyranus-Vader · Post by **Lord Sauron-Tyranus-Vader** » 2002-12-02 08:21pm

Might be. We just don't know. But it seems to much of a coincidence that Shmi would die just as Anakin reached her.... could Palpy perhaps sapped her lifeforce with the Force, timing it just right fir when Anakin arrived? I know it's a long shot, but it is possible.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2002-12-02 08:22pm

Sounds doubtful. I don't think so.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-02 08:44pm

I doubt it. Palpatine doesn't have to be behind every evil act in SW you know.

Lord Sauron-Tyranus-Vader · Post by **Lord Sauron-Tyranus-Vader** » 2002-12-02 08:47pm

neoolong wrote:I doubt it. Palpatine doesn't have to be behind every evil act in SW you know.

Yes he is. Don not doubt the power of the Force. He is also what caused my dog to barf. And what caused Ian Mckellen (aka Gandalf) to turn gay.
LOL.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2002-12-02 09:08pm

Palpatine has no morals whatsoever, but I don't think he'd have a friend's mother tortured just for kicks. Well, at least not the prequil-era Palpatine (as far as we've seen).

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-12-02 10:24pm

Well listening to the commentary Geoge didn't mention anything with regards to that, only that he wanted to demonstrate a little more than was shown in TPM about why people hated the Tusken Raiders.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-12-02 10:25pm

I doubt it, as it wouldn't make any sense.

And I think Lord Dum-Dumb up there needs to shut the fuck up.

Irritating brat...

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-03 01:45am

Not everything goes the way Palpatine planned, yet it seems that he still reaps benefits. Remember that in TPM he didn't intend to let Amidala reach Coruscant. He was pretty angry when they escape Naboo and even sent Maul to stop them in Tatooine. He didn't send the Jedis to rescue her either, that was the then-Chancellor.

He does seem to have quite a knack for patching things in the end so he still wins, though.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-03 01:55am

Slartibartfast wrote:Not everything goes the way Palpatine planned, yet it seems that he still reaps benefits. Remember that in TPM he didn't intend to let Amidala reach Coruscant. He was pretty angry when they escape Naboo and even sent Maul to stop them in Tatooine. He didn't send the Jedis to rescue her either, that was the then-Chancellor.

He does seem to have quite a knack for patching things in the end so he still wins, though.

It's cause he so damn skilled. He is able to adapt to things well, that is how he got to be Emperor. Where he didn't have a back up plan and ended up dead.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-03 01:44pm

neoolong wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Not everything goes the way Palpatine planned, yet it seems that he still reaps benefits. Remember that in TPM he didn't intend to let Amidala reach Coruscant. He was pretty angry when they escape Naboo and even sent Maul to stop them in Tatooine. He didn't send the Jedis to rescue her either, that was the then-Chancellor.

He does seem to have quite a knack for patching things in the end so he still wins, though.
It's cause he so damn skilled. He is able to adapt to things well, that is how he got to be Emperor. Where he didn't have a back up plan and ended up dead.

Yes, that's my point. It's not like someone could argue "Ah, but he planned that Padme would get away and that Maul wouldn't stop them and then he planned to ask Padme to challenge the Chancellor, then he planned for some little brat to blow up the Trade ship so he could do a parade on Naboo".

About the planning thing, I don't see that everything has to be a backup plan. He could just as well thought of using Amidala minutes before talking to her.

Steven Snyder · Post by **Steven Snyder** » 2002-12-03 04:10pm

I have to disagree with the statement that not everything went Palpatine's way. I think up until Endor, Palpatine's scheming was perfect. So far in the prequels things are going great for him.

He hasn't had any setbacks at all. Darth Maul's death was planned by Palpatine, who needed him to kill Qui-Gon and put Anakin in the hands of an inexperienced Jedi. Maul would have been useless in the coming Clone Wars, he needed a new apprentice then...a diplomatic one.

While Anakin is a vergence in the force, I believe that Palpatine is too. Palpatine had the ability to shroud the future from the eyes of the Jedi, while he could perceive it perfectly and bend it to his needs. The only one who he could not see was Anakin, the other vergence in the force. This is why Anakin/Vader was a threat to him, and this is why he did not see his death at Endor.

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2002-12-03 05:51pm

Steven Snyder wrote:I have to disagree with the statement that not everything went Palpatine's way. I think up until Endor, Palpatine's scheming was perfect. So far in the prequels things are going great for him.

He hasn't had any setbacks at all. Darth Maul's death was planned by Palpatine, who needed him to kill Qui-Gon and put Anakin in the hands of an inexperienced Jedi. Maul would have been useless in the coming Clone Wars, he needed a new apprentice then...a diplomatic one.

While Anakin is a vergence in the force, I believe that Palpatine is too. Palpatine had the ability to shroud the future from the eyes of the Jedi, while he could perceive it perfectly and bend it to his needs. The only one who he could not see was Anakin, the other vergence in the force. This is why Anakin/Vader was a threat to him, and this is why he did not see his death at Endor.

Palpatine has had setbacks he just planned for all or most variables too enter the equation. "No plan survives the first combat action," a 20the century tactican wrote, and that is Palpatine's case. He has uit setup anyways it goes it goes too him.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-03 06:18pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
neoolong wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Not everything goes the way Palpatine planned, yet it seems that he still reaps benefits. Remember that in TPM he didn't intend to let Amidala reach Coruscant. He was pretty angry when they escape Naboo and even sent Maul to stop them in Tatooine. He didn't send the Jedis to rescue her either, that was the then-Chancellor.

He does seem to have quite a knack for patching things in the end so he still wins, though.
It's cause he so damn skilled. He is able to adapt to things well, that is how he got to be Emperor. Where he didn't have a back up plan and ended up dead.
Yes, that's my point. It's not like someone could argue "Ah, but he planned that Padme would get away and that Maul wouldn't stop them and then he planned to ask Padme to challenge the Chancellor, then he planned for some little brat to blow up the Trade ship so he could do a parade on Naboo".

About the planning thing, I don't see that everything has to be a backup plan. He could just as well thought of using Amidala minutes before talking to her.

I meant when he was Emperor he didn't have a backup plan. He didn't plan on having to get rid of both Vader and Luke. So he ended up taking a long trip.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-12-03 06:39pm

neoolong wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:
neoolong wrote: It's cause he so damn skilled. He is able to adapt to things well, that is how he got to be Emperor. Where he didn't have a back up plan and ended up dead.
Yes, that's my point. It's not like someone could argue "Ah, but he planned that Padme would get away and that Maul wouldn't stop them and then he planned to ask Padme to challenge the Chancellor, then he planned for some little brat to blow up the Trade ship so he could do a parade on Naboo".

About the planning thing, I don't see that everything has to be a backup plan. He could just as well thought of using Amidala minutes before talking to her.
I meant when he was Emperor he didn't have a backup plan. He didn't plan on having to get rid of both Vader and Luke. So he ended up taking a long trip.

I think people attribute too much to the Emperor's planning abilities. Why can't he simply have an agile mind that allows him to remedy the unforeseen problems as they appear? Sure, he might have had one or two backup plans but not for every single probability in the equation.

In any case, his plans weren't made like a castle of cards, they were broad enough and allowed for a large error margin. I simply can't believe that he planned: A or B can happen. If A use plan A1. If plan A1 fails use plan A1.1.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2002-12-03 09:26pm

Slartibartfast wrote:I think people attribute too much to the Emperor's planning abilities. Why can't he simply have an agile mind that allows him to remedy the unforeseen problems as they appear? Sure, he might have had one or two backup plans but not for every single probability in the equation.

In any case, his plans weren't made like a castle of cards, they were broad enough and allowed for a large error margin. I simply can't believe that he planned: A or B can happen. If A use plan A1. If plan A1 fails use plan A1.1.

But if he was to have a backup plan the most logical thing that would have gone wrong to plan for was for Luke to not turn. Which happened. The second most being Vader to not do his job, which also happened. I understand not having contigents for everything, but these are the two things that an intelligent dictator should have accounted for.