My Calcs of the Imperial Navy Size

[MKSheppard]

Based off stats I found here:

http://www.warships1.com/W-INRO/INRO_Battlefleet.htm

I used the 1939 Royal Navy Fleet Stats as a baseline, subtracting the
Submarines as we have no analog in the SW Universe.

Britain 1939

Battleships 15 5%
Heavy Cruisers 15 5%
Light Cruisers 43 16%
Destroyers 179 68%
8 Carriers 3%

260 Total Capital Ships in the Royal Navy

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Using these percentage points and the 25,000 ISD figure given
in SOTP:

25,000 ISDs
25,000 Heavy Cruisers
80,000 Light Cruisers
340,000 Destroyers
15,000 Carriers

500,000 total combat starships in the Imperial Navy

[MKSheppard]

Yosemite Bear just pointed out in AIM that:

[quote=Yosemite]
Rule Biritania, oh wait they both use 8 pointed symbol too

That would be kinda scary an Imperial Octagon, in the center of a Union Jack...
[/quote]

And considering that the British Empire and Galactic Empire have a LOT
of similarities....

[His Divine Shadow]

What about the officila figures that put the figure at 10-22 million ships?

[Sardaukar]

perhaps those figs count Starfighters, Gunships and Corvettes?

[His Divine Shadow]

perhaps those figs count Starfighters, Gunships and Corvettes?

No, it was in reference to ships, there was something else about fighters later on too.

[MKSheppard]

What about the officila figures that put the figure at 10-22 million ships?

Where are those official figures? I'd like to read them for inclusion to
my fanfic vault.

[Crayz9000]

Using these percentage points and the 25,000 ISD figure given
in SOTP:

25,000 ISDs
25,000 Heavy Cruisers
80,000 Light Cruisers
340,000 Destroyers
15,000 Carriers

500,000 total combat starships in the Imperial Navy

So, going off this... it means that only *half* of the Imperial member worlds will have any kind of decent capital ship in orbit at any one time... and *none* of the colonies will have any decent capital ships.

I think I'd agree with Marina that the 25,000 ISDs mentioned are part of the Imperial Navy's strike force, and not committed to policing duties.

[MKSheppard]

So, going off this... it means that only *half* of the Imperial member worlds will have any kind of decent capital ship in orbit at any one time... and *none* of the colonies will have any decent capital ships.

Ah Ah, These are for Major combatants, not corvettes and escorts.

[Crayz9000]

Ah Ah, These are for Major combatants, not corvettes and escorts.

I did say decent capships. Though, assuming over a million corvettes and frigates... could a Nebulon-B by itself really stand up to a focused Rebel assault?

[meNNis]

of course. puny rebel scum. like they could ever come close to anything more then a mere splinter in the Empire's side.

[Alyeska]

Using these percentage points and the 25,000 ISD figure given
in SOTP:

25,000 ISDs
25,000 Heavy Cruisers
80,000 Light Cruisers
340,000 Destroyers
15,000 Carriers

500,000 total combat starships in the Imperial Navy

So, going off this... it means that only *half* of the Imperial member worlds will have any kind of decent capital ship in orbit at any one time... and *none* of the colonies will have any decent capital ships.

I think I'd agree with Marina that the 25,000 ISDs mentioned are part of the Imperial Navy's strike force, and not committed to policing duties.

Its quite clear when Paleon is talking about the ISDs that he is talking about total construction. When you look at the resource references about the make up of the Imperial Navy you realize its 24 ISDs to a sector, but several thousand other ships from VSDs down to Corvettes that make up the bulk of the patrol and police craft as well as anti insurgent uses.

[His Divine Shadow]

Where are those official figures? I'd like to read them for inclusion to my fanfic vault.

It's in the thread Imperial & New Republic Fleet calcs, or a very similar name, it's in this forum, a few pages back I think.

[Soulman]

You don't need a cap ship for every colony. The speed of hyperdrive is such that a warship could get to the system quickly even with 1 ship for every 10 colonies. Furthermore if you look back to the British Empire many smaller colonies had almost no military presence and certainly no warhips.

[Rightous Fist Of Heaven]

Well there is allways this

Imperial Sourcebook:
A Sector Group can be expected to contain at least 2,400 ships, 24 of which are Star Destroyers, and another 1,600 combat starships. Thousands of Sector Groups are at the Emperor’s command as he seeks to bring the galaxy firmly under his control.

1600 Combat starships, none of the battlegroup etc. numbers seem to count starfighters at all so its reasonable to believe that this means everything above frigates.

[Mr Bean]

You don't need a cap ship for every colony. The speed of hyperdrive is such that a warship could get to the system quickly even with 1 ship for every 10 colonies. Furthermore if you look back to the British Empire many smaller colonies had almost no military presence and certainly no warhips.

EXCEPT Soulman, in Britian's Days could a Galloen Roll into Port, Bombard the Enitre Settlement into the ground in 1 hours time then cruise on off agian?

No?

Well in SW Victory Class and Above posseive enough weapons to preform a "Base Delta Zero" operation, 100% Causalite rates and 1 hours time...

THATS why you need so many ships, also why Plantary and Theater shields are so prevlant

[Connor MacLeod]

Using these percentage points and the 25,000 ISD figure given
in SOTP:

25,000 ISDs
25,000 Heavy Cruisers
80,000 Light Cruisers
340,000 Destroyers
15,000 Carriers

500,000 total combat starships in the Imperial Navy

So, going off this... it means that only *half* of the Imperial member worlds will have any kind of decent capital ship in orbit at any one time... and *none* of the colonies will have any decent capital ships.

I think I'd agree with Marina that the 25,000 ISDs mentioned are part of the Imperial Navy's strike force, and not committed to policing duties.

Its quite clear when Paleon is talking about the ISDs that he is talking about total construction. When you look at the resource references about the make up of the Imperial Navy you realize its 24 ISDs to a sector, but several thousand other ships from VSDs down to Corvettes that make up the bulk of the patrol and police craft as well as anti insurgent uses.

No, it isn't. He only refers to "Star Destroyers" - which could include both the larger AND smaller variants, or he could be referring to ISD's alone, or whatnot.

[Alyeska]

So, going off this... it means that only *half* of the Imperial member worlds will have any kind of decent capital ship in orbit at any one time... and *none* of the colonies will have any decent capital ships.

I think I'd agree with Marina that the 25,000 ISDs mentioned are part of the Imperial Navy's strike force, and not committed to policing duties.

Its quite clear when Paleon is talking about the ISDs that he is talking about total construction. When you look at the resource references about the make up of the Imperial Navy you realize its 24 ISDs to a sector, but several thousand other ships from VSDs down to Corvettes that make up the bulk of the patrol and police craft as well as anti insurgent uses.

No, it isn't. He only refers to "Star Destroyers" - which could include both the larger AND smaller variants, or he could be referring to ISD's alone, or whatnot.

Well, I have pointed out the issue of the Star Destroyer bit before, especially with how some authors have referred to both the VSD and ISD the same way. But more then one person said "NO!!! He MUST be talking about ISDs!". Still, it seems clear that Paleon is remembering the good old days back when the Imperial navy was really freaking huge and had 25K of SDs.

[Master of Ossus]

I'm not sure that this is the best way to approach figuring out the Imperial fleet's composition. Note that almost all SW capital ships have the capability to carry SOME fighters, but that most of the actual fighting is done by the capital ships themselves, with fighters being a small and relatively unimportant secondary function of such ships. That would definitely affect fleet composition.

[His Divine Shadow]

Well, I have pointed out the issue of the Star Destroyer bit before, especially with how some authors have referred to both the VSD and ISD the same way. But more then one person said "NO!!! He MUST be talking about ISDs!". Still, it seems clear that Paleon is remembering the good old days back when the Imperial navy was really freaking huge and had 25K of SDs.

Well sure it can mean that, but I think it's more likely it just meant ISD's though, people generally refer to the Imperial Star Destroyer when using that kind of wording and not the other kinds.
Ofcourse it's nothing solid and Macleod is right about that, unless there's a more definite quote somewhere else.

[SirNitram]

VSD's are an unlikely candidate, myself, given the numbers of them we see thrown around(In one book, I think, a hundred VSD's charge an ISD. What's fucked up is I think the ISD won that one, or came close. A Stackpole job), and that they were made by the Republic, not Empire. The true heavies(SSD, ESSD, Corellian Battleship, etc) are possibly in there, as the WEG sector group info grouped with number of sectors leaves us with 1000 left over. But the way it's phrased definately gives the impression it's the Chimaera's own class he's talking of(And I will HADOKEN anyone who tries to say the ISD-III class specifically had 25,000).

[Peregrin Toker]

What about the anomalously big battleships such as Giel's flagship, the Executor and the Eclipse??

Are they one-of-a-kind vessels???

(There were several Executor-class battleships produced and two Eclipses made, although I'm not too sure about the others such as Giel's, Tagge's and Wermis' battleships which may have been custom-built by the admirals in question)

[Alyeska]

VSD's are an unlikely candidate, myself, given the numbers of them we see thrown around(In one book, I think, a hundred VSD's charge an ISD. What's fucked up is I think the ISD won that one, or came close. A Stackpole job), and that they were made by the Republic, not Empire. The true heavies(SSD, ESSD, Corellian Battleship, etc) are possibly in there, as the WEG sector group info grouped with number of sectors leaves us with 1000 left over. But the way it's phrased definately gives the impression it's the Chimaera's own class he's talking of(And I will HADOKEN anyone who tries to say the ISD-III class specifically had 25,000).

Actually Stackpole had a single VSD-I with its 80 missile tubes take down the shields of an ISD-II in one or two missile volleys. I have never heard of 100 VSDs going after an ISD and loosing.