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As an addendum though it is a minimal addition Truce at Bakura also has Ackbar lamenting that the Rebels suffered something like 20% losses amongst their entire available forces engaging only a fraction of the Imperial Fleet.
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Illuminatus Primus wrote: 1.) Nothing about that says that these Sector Force attacks were happening while Endor was being undertaken. These were preliminiary feints, designed to keep the Imperial Starfleet "spread throughout the galaxy in a vain effort to engage us." BEFORE the battle.
We also see groups in open revolt on a series of strategic planets immediately following the destruction of the Death Star while the battle still raged. (We observe the debris falling from orbit and know that elements of the fleet, including Grand Admiral Tiggerillus' star destroyer fought for hours later). This means the revolts were launched before the Death Star was destroyed. We know from Castin Don that the rebel cells were involved in those attacks. Further, consider the places we see the rebellion going on at:
*Coruscant, seat of the governmnet. Open revolt there shows weakenss everywhere. Great propaganda value
*Bespin, a Tibanna gas mine and production center. A coup there would provide needed resources
*Naboo, homeworld of the Emperor. If his own peopel are calling for him to be overthrown, that speaks volumes. Propaganda.
*Tattooine, homeworld of the Rebellion's great hero. Great propaganda.

It might be more accurate to call it the Endor Campaing then the Battle of Endor.

2.) The article is clearly addressing the hero worship in the Rebellion associated around the Skywalker/Solo/Calrissian/Antilles group and their leaders Ackbar and Mothma.
Not really relevent to the facts.
3.) The reference that Endor included EVERY SINGLE REBEL is made explicitly in the ROTJ novelisation, and its canon authority exceeds that of the Databank, which I believe is also factually unreliable as a source, given it still contains the 120 km Death Star I and Leland Chee personally has noted that the current content of the Databank does not necessarily reflect the current status of canon in SW.
Every single rebel was there for the planning. Nothing says every rebel was there for the attack.
4.) Given 1, 2, 3, and with special emphasis to higher canon authority of the ROTJ novelisation, the best interpretations of canon will agree with the novelisation's assertion of EVERY LAST REBEL and accomodate the former with preliminary attacks designed to disperse the Emperor's forces before the battle. The OS Databank certainly does not compell us to assume the ROTJ novelisation is somehow mistaken or confused.
Every rebel was there for the planning, canon fact. Rebel cells were involved in revolts on strategic planets, canon fact.

Conclusion is that some rebels were dispersed to go after strategic targets to aid the rebellion and weaken the Empire at the same time.
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Ender wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote: 1.) Nothing about that says that these Sector Force attacks were happening while Endor was being undertaken. These were preliminiary feints, designed to keep the Imperial Starfleet "spread throughout the galaxy in a vain effort to engage us." BEFORE the battle.
We also see groups in open revolt on a series of strategic planets immediately following the destruction of the Death Star while the battle still raged. (We observe the debris falling from orbit and know that elements of the fleet, including Grand Admiral Tiggerillus' star destroyer fought for hours later). This means the revolts were launched before the Death Star was destroyed. We know from Castin Don that the rebel cells were involved in those attacks. Further, consider the places we see the rebellion going on at:
*Coruscant, seat of the governmnet. Open revolt there shows weakenss everywhere. Great propaganda value
*Bespin, a Tibanna gas mine and production center. A coup there would provide needed resources
*Naboo, homeworld of the Emperor. If his own peopel are calling for him to be overthrown, that speaks volumes. Propaganda.
*Tattooine, homeworld of the Rebellion's great hero. Great propaganda.

It might be more accurate to call it the Endor Campaing then the Battle of Endor.
Any evidence these are regulars? Guerillas? People with any substantive membership in the Rebellion? No. They're celebrating and rioting. I suppose this is the same kind of logic that Ann Coulter and her ilk used to make celebrating Palestinians equivalent with the operatives who participated in the 9/11 attack. Sympathizers and agitators are not the same thing as personnel.

What about pro-German agitators in the U.S. during WW2? Are they Wehrmacht officers?

There were pro-rebel riots following Palpatine's death. Did agitators, propogandists, and sympathizers have links to the Rebellion which would let them in on the victory very quickly? Probably. This doesn't change the fact that the Rebel Alliance put essentially all its military materiel in one basket, nor are the riots you describe the same as the diversionary operation point 1.) addressed.
Ender wrote:Every single rebel was there for the planning. Nothing says every rebel was there for the attack.
The scrawl in question I believe refers to the fleet at Sullust just prior to the attack. I think the novelisation's explicit content and implicit content here is pretty clear, and it is unneccessary to multiply entities like this.
Ender wrote:Every rebel was there for the planning, canon fact. Rebel cells were involved in revolts on strategic planets, canon fact.
What revolts? They are cells? I see agitators and rioters. I see political demonstrations. They were members of the Alliance to Restore the Republic by what evidence? Handwavium? You wanting it to be so?
Ender wrote:Conclusion is that some rebels were dispersed to go after strategic targets to aid the rebellion and weaken the Empire at the same time.
Conclusion is that the Rebellion singled its propoganda and local sympathizing assets on important worlds to begin preparing resistance, uprisings, etc. and the good news triggered Rebellion-sympathizing riots on many Imperial worlds. Sure they probably assigned a handful of cells, but all substantive military materiel was sunk into Endor. There's no fighting going on in this "uprisings."
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Illuminatus Primus wrote:Any evidence these are regulars? Guerillas? People with any substantive membership in the Rebellion? No.
I'm snipping the rest as it all comes down to the fact that you completely chose to ignore the part where I pointed out that Castin Don was part of a rebel cell that initiated the riots. This was not a bunch of people at a riot getting out of hand. A rebel cell was specifically stated to be involved, with Don himself responsible for broadcasting a video of the destruction of the Death Star across the Holonet. That means that they had to attack and comandeer a Holonet access point to do so.

I find it amusing that you are calling "handwavium" and bullshit when your enite position is built around ignoing the fact that we know rebel cells were involved.
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Ender wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:Any evidence these are regulars? Guerillas? People with any substantive membership in the Rebellion? No.
I'm snipping the rest as it all comes down to the fact that you completely chose to ignore the part where I pointed out that Castin Don was part of a rebel cell that initiated the riots. This was not a bunch of people at a riot getting out of hand. A rebel cell was specifically stated to be involved, with Don himself responsible for broadcasting a video of the destruction of the Death Star across the Holonet. That means that they had to attack and comandeer a Holonet access point to do so.

I find it amusing that you are calling "handwavium" and bullshit when your enite position is built around ignoing the fact that we know rebel cells were involved.
Yeah, and did I not concede there must be some non-combat assets assigned to this contingency? And no, they didn't need to do that, because Luke in Shadows of the Empire says a simple kid mechanic can hack into the Holonet, send and recieve messages, and make the Empire pay for it, no problem. Even if piecemeal stuff was assigned to some contingencies, that's a long fall from the initial position that somehow the Rebellion was engaged on multiple front. 99% of their combat personnel were engaged at Endor.
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There's no fighting going on in this "uprisings."
Apparently, the RSF on Naboo was disbanded some time after the emergence of the Empire, with Stormtroopers providing "security". Yet we see N-1s flying in formation during the celebration on Naboo, implying they either participated in a battle or were "liberated" afterwards. There were also local Rebel cells operating throughout the GCW. (All this according to SW: Galaxies, I think.)

Then there's Slave Ship, talking about Kuat battlecruisers being shipped to aid a force trying to retake the Arkanis Sector. That sector contained Tatooine, and the Rebels were in charge there, at the time. Since the The Dark Forces Saga, Part 3 article states that a battle took place on Tatooine after Endor, ending with Imperial withdrawal, that means the combatants on the Rebels' side did more than just riot. The same novel also have a rebel cell trying to infiltrate KDY and gain some more capital ships (all this taking place after Jabba's death, mind, so it's cutting it close to Endor.)

And X-wing: Iron Fist has one of its characters remembering his Rebel cell being involved in the uprising on Coruscant which was violently struck down.

Are we to believe Rebels were only involved on these three planets, so far apart?
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