Jedi Database

[Darth Fanboy]

would anyone be interesting in contributing to a Jedi databse? Its been mentioned a few times that there are so many token force users and dark jedi in the EU that we can't keep track of them all.

Seeing as how I have access to copies of almost every EU novel and NJO novel (not necessarily a good thing mind you) all I would really need help with would be concerning the video games like Jedi Knight and the comic series.

It would be set up something like this.

Divided into Five Eras:

-Ancient SW History: Exar Kun, Ulic qel Droma and the like

-Pre ANH: Including the once large Jedi Order and countless adepts, would include the prequels

-Civil War Era:Not a very long list but would include minor characters such as Lumiya and Mara Jade

-Post-Endorcusing on classics such as the Zahn Trilogy, and non classics such as the Jedi Academy Trilogy. Would also include the Young/Junior Jedi Knights series also (why they would write those though, then include characters into the NJO I have no f'ing clue)

-New Jedi Ordercause so many get killed and I spend so little time reading them.

I'm going to start on the EU novels, NJO book and include items from the films and starwars.com. [/b]

[Kuja]

would anyone be interesting in contributing to a Jedi databse? Its been mentioned a few times that there are so many token force users and dark jedi in the EU that we can't keep track of them all.

Just buy The Essential Chonology and The New Essential Guide to Characters. Those'll give you the names of pretty much every Force user worth knowing about.

[Stormbringer]

I think it a good idead. How much information will be included on each?

And I'd consider simplifying the eras: Ancient Era, Old Jedi Order (pre-RotJ) and New Jedi Order (Endor and beyond). The question will be what to do about those that cover a several of the eras such as Yoda, Mara Jade or Vima da-Boda.

[Darth Fanboy]

I have the New Esssential guide to characters and I dont think it covers a lot of the lesser known characters that I would like to know about.

At least this much info will be included for each character


name:
(light or dark side):
First Appearance:(Either the first Canon film they were in, or the first EU book to mention them)
Info: A short bio consisting of their force using history and any other relevant information

Example1:

Mace Windu was a skilled swordsman and one of the senior members of the Jedi Council during the Clone Wars. Master Windu also led the rescue of Anakin Skywalker and Obi Wan Kenbobi on Geonosis. One of his former students, Depa billaba, eventually joined him on the Jedi Council

Example2:

Ganner Rhysode was a member of Luke SKywalker's New Jedi Order and fought many battles durng the war with the YV. He was killed defending Jacen Solo's escape from the terraformed Coruscant during the events in Traitor

I would like to keep an accurate track of what characters were killed, when they were killed, and how it happened. This would help fanfic writers and people seeking a more complete knowledge.

I'm planning on plugging everything into excel at first and then maybe touching it up at a ater date then plugging it on a website.

[Lord Poe]

Well, if you're looking for instances of Jedi powers, you can check my ever-growing databases:

http://h4h.com/louis/pdd2/jedisith.html

http://h4h.com/louis/pdd2/force.html

[Darth Fanboy]

Im working on the actual Jedi themselves but if I find anything interesting I'll see if youve got it or not.

[Robert Treder]

Just so long as it has Jerec's seven dark Jedi in it, I'm happy.

[Darth Fanboy]

Oh one thing about your site Lord Poe.

Jedi Search

pg.15: He wasn't merely another Jedi Knight-he was the only remaining Jedi Master.

Luke is considered a Jedi Master at the time of "Jedi Search"

I think Luke officially assumed the title of jedi master after the Dark Empire Series.

[Darth Fanboy]

Rob could you provide osme information on those Dark Jedi and possibly Jerec? Knowledge on those guys is hard for me to find.

[Eleas]

Just so long as it has Jerec's seven dark Jedi in it, I'm happy.

...uh, that's nice. Now, I'm gonna have to vote against the whole thing on general principles, dammit.

[Darth Fanboy]

Ive completed a section that lists all Jedi and force sensitives portrayed in the Canon Films and I am now working on an EU section that hopefully will cover most everything between Endor and the New Jedi Order.

Interesting things i've learned so far:

the Jedi council has either 12 or 13 members according to various sources (this could be something like the debate between 8km and 11km Super Star Destroyers except not as ludicrous)

Council Member Yarael Poof served on the council during TPM. He was the long necked individual that is some ways reembled a Kaminoan. Between TPM and AoTC he died and was replaced by Jedi Master Vurk. Vurk was the Jedi that Jango Fett killed when he shot him off the balcony. While Vurk was not the greatest Jedi warrior he was indeed one of its leaders and definitely skilled with the force. Thus making Jango's victory still a good accomplishment. (Note this is all confirmed by starwars.com so I'm assuming its canon. Check the Episode II databank under Vurk)

There was a ridiculously large number of Jedi that survived Vader's purge, ([shit] according to the EU writers anyway [/shit]) and excluding Vergere none of these Jedi have any useful insights or information regarding how to properly run the Jedi Order or train Jedi.

Jedi Master Eeth Koth was a Zabrak from Iridonia, Darth Maul was a Zabrak from Iridonia. (starwars.com, Darth Maulw as confirmed as a Zabrak also in the novel Shadow Hunter) We all know Darth Maul was powerful in the force and a Jedi Council member would have to be. My theory regarding this is that they were related and never knew it. Eeth Koth couldn't even sense Maul on Corsucant and Maul didn't even consider himself a Zabrak anymore.

Looking at different lists assembeled on the internet a disporpotionately high number of jedi are humans. There are also a fair number of Twi'lek Jedi in the Canon and EU.

Apparently the reason for there being only two Sith was not just for secrecy. The power derived from hatred and anger would be spread too thin (according to Darth Bane) as well. I wonder if that is what may have happened to the jedi when their order grew incredibly large during the final decades of the Republic. Not only had they grown complacent, but with their power spread so thin it would be easy for a powerful Sith such as Vader to go and execute the whle lot of them the flaw in this theory of course is why then did Darth Maul lose to Obi Wan Kenobi on Naboo.

The struggle continues. Hopefully i'll have some more tangible results within the next 2 days or so as I progress further.

[Robert Treder]

...uh, that's nice. Now, I'm gonna have to vote against the whole thing on general principles, dammit.

Oh come on! Jedi Knight was a lot of fun!

Darth Fanboy, this is the skinny on Jerec: he was presumably an apprentice of Palpatine in some manner. He was obsessed with finding the "Valley of the Jedi", which is the final resting place of the Jedi and Sith warriors from the Battle of Ruusan. Since this place is a great nexus of the Force, if Jerec were to control it, he would be quite powerful.
The location of the Valley was known to the Jedi in the prequel era, but kept secret. A Jedi who survived the purge, Qu Rahn, knew of its location, and before being killed by Jerec, he entrusted this information to Morgan Katarn. Morgan Katarn was later killed by one of Jerec's agents, the Dark Jedi Maw. When they killed Morgan, they obtained from him a datadisk which contained the location of the Valley. Kyle Katarn, Morgan's son, was contacted by another of Jerec's agents, the droid 8D88, in the hopes that Kyle could decode the disk. Kyle decided to take the disk for himself. Jerec's minions pursued Kyle, and during this adventure, Kyle found out that he had a great sensitivity to the Force. Kyle obtained Rahn's lightsabre and set out to prevent Jerec from finding the Valley.
Kyle could not stop Jerec from obtaining a map to the Valley from Morgan's home on Sulon, Moon of Sullust. So Kyle attempted to beat Jerec to the Valley, cutting down Jerec's Force-using lieutenants in the process. These Dark Jedi were the human Yun, the twins Gorc and Pic (unknown species, though Pic looks strangely like a LGC), the Klatoonian Maw, the human Sariss, and the Twi'lek Boc. At the Valley of the Jedi, Kyle fought and slew Jerec, and set free the lost souls of Ruusan.

It was an awesome game, and it doesn't get enough recognition. The events are mentioned in the Essential Chronology, though.

[Darth Fanboy]

Jerec is actually in the new Essential Guide to characters, if youre a real fan you should check it out, the artwork is kewl. Thanks for the henchmen though, I may have to go pick up a copy of Jedi Knight .

[Darth Fanboy]

Were Yun and Sariss both males? Im adding gender as well.

[Ghost Rider]

Sariss was a chick.

[Robert Treder]

Jerec is actually in the new Essential Guide to characters, if youre a real fan you should check it out, the artwork is kewl. Thanks for the henchmen though, I may have to go pick up a copy of Jedi Knight .

Yeah, I have that book. And Sariss was the only female member of Jerec's Dark Jedi.

[Darth Fanboy]

Council Member Yarael Poof served on the council during TPM. He was the long necked individual that is some ways reembled a Kaminoan. Between TPM and AoTC he died and was replaced by Jedi Master Vurk. Vurk was the Jedi that Jango Fett killed when he shot him off the balcony. While Vurk was not the greatest Jedi warrior he was indeed one of its leaders and definitely skilled with the force. Thus making Jango's victory still a good accomplishment. (Note this is all confirmed by starwars.com so I'm assuming its canon. Check the Episode II databank under Vurk)

Just a correction, it isn't"Vurk". It was Coleman Trebor, who was of the genderless Vurk species.

Sorry for the misinformation.

[Eleas]

Oh come on! Jedi Knight was a lot of fun!

Yeah, until we realised that its lightsaber engine was utter crap, its dimensions were skewed, and that the "dark Jedi" we saw fought worse than the lowliest padawan. And a few other things.

Darth Fanboy, this is the skinny on Jerec: he was presumably an apprentice of Palpatine in some manner.

IIRC, he began his service for Palpatine as a Jedi Master (says so in Dark Side Sourcebook).

[Robert Treder]

Yeah, yeah...so 'Pong' wasn't an accurate representation of table tennis. Jedi Knight was still a blast for its time.

And that's interesting, I didn't know Jerec was a Master before joining Palpatine. But that still doesn't make him not Palpatine's apprentice

[Eleas]

Yeah, yeah...so 'Pong' wasn't an accurate representation of table tennis. Jedi Knight was still a blast for its time.

I disagree. The graphics were substandard for its time (a fact), the lightsaber engine the only engine I ever saw that showed a hit on the other character even if you missed (and vice versa - we checked in multiplayer mode), the actors were totally incompetent, the story implausible, and the lack of lighting blew like DarkStar after Pablo treated him to a visit to Madame Omar's.

I vastly preferred Dark Forces.

And that's interesting, I didn't know Jerec was a Master before joining Palpatine. But that still doesn't make him not Palpatine's apprentice

Yes it does. He was turned by High Inquisitor Tremayne after the fall of the Jedi. Jerec then immediately sought out other Jedi, and was thereafter tasked with sundry missions. None of these elevated him above Vader, or even Tremayne.

[Robert Treder]

Yeah, yeah...so 'Pong' wasn't an accurate representation of table tennis. Jedi Knight was still a blast for its time.

I disagree. The graphics were substandard for its time (a fact), the lightsaber engine the only engine I ever saw that showed a hit on the other character even if you missed (and vice versa - we checked in multiplayer mode), the actors were totally incompetent, the story implausible, and the lack of lighting blew like DarkStar after Pablo treated him to a visit to Madame Omar's.

I vastly preferred Dark Forces.

And that's interesting, I didn't know Jerec was a Master before joining Palpatine. But that still doesn't make him not Palpatine's apprentice

Yes it does. He was turned by High Inquisitor Tremayne after the fall of the Jedi. Jerec then immediately sought out other Jedi, and was thereafter tasked with sundry missions. None of these elevated him above Vader, or even Tremayne.

Well, since it's entirely subjective, I'm not going to talk about whether or not Jedi Knight was a good game anymore.

And yeah, that's what I'm saying about Jerec. He served Emperor Palpatine, even if he didn't like it.

[Eleas]

Well, since it's entirely subjective, I'm not going to talk about whether or not Jedi Knight was a good game anymore.

Agreed; it's a bit off-topic.

And yeah, that's what I'm saying about Jerec. He served Emperor Palpatine, even if he didn't like it.

Hmmm... dunno. What's not to like? You get nice funding, a huge mandate, a humungous ego, and an even bigger SSD. I could learn to like a life of servitude if it came with perks like that...

[Robert Treder]

And yeah, that's what I'm saying about Jerec. He served Emperor Palpatine, even if he didn't like it.

Hmmm... dunno. What's not to like? You get nice funding, a huge mandate, a humungous ego, and an even bigger SSD. I could learn to like a life of servitude if it came with perks like that...

Hehe, yeah, I meant he might not like being subservient on principle, not the perks of being one of Palpatine's Jedi. He is a crazy egomaniac, remember.