What is the order of Canonicity in Star Wars

TrekWarsie · Post by **TrekWarsie** » 2003-01-22 08:04am

I know that the movies are incontrovertible canon. What comes after the movies? Are novels or tech manuals next in line in terms of canon?

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 08:08am

Movies, Scripts & Novelizations, Radio Dramas then EU in that order.....

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-22 08:09am

Movies
Screenplays
Radio Dramas
Novelizations

In that order. These are the only canon. Everything else is official- part of the continuity, but overriden if they contradict canon.

meNNis · Post by **meNNis** » 2003-01-22 11:17am

dont forget the comics

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-22 11:17am

comics aren't canon unless Lucas has flipped his lid.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-22 11:32am

Vympel wrote:Movies
Screenplays
Radio Dramas
Novelizations

In that order. These are the only canon. Everything else is official- part of the continuity, but overriden if they contradict canon.

It's:

Films
Scripts
Novelisations
Radio Dramas

In that order.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2003-01-22 11:57am

Ah, thanks, been trying to get this list for months now.

My brother said Episode II was wrong, because of the Death Star plans. He said that Lemelisk designed it

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-22 12:06pm

TrekWarsie wrote:I know that the movies are incontrovertible canon. What comes after the movies? Are novels or tech manuals next in line in terms of canon?

Its:
-His Divine Shadow
-George Lucas
-Movies
-Novellisations
-Scripts
-Radio Plays
-Official works connected to a movie(ICS, VD)
-EU Novels
-EU comics and techbooks
-other shit

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-22 12:10pm

Vorlon1701 wrote:My brother said Episode II was wrong, because of the Death Star plans. He said that Lemelisk designed it

He did, but Episode II wasn't wrong either

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-22 02:08pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
TrekWarsie wrote:I know that the movies are incontrovertible canon. What comes after the movies? Are novels or tech manuals next in line in terms of canon?
Its:
-His Divine Shadow
-George Lucas
-Movies
-Novellisations
-Scripts
-Radio Plays
-Official works connected to a movie(ICS, VD)
-EU Novels
-EU comics and techbooks
-other shit

I'm not sure about having Lucas above the other stuff. I don't think his word has much weight until it is actually in something.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-22 02:17pm

neoolong wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:
TrekWarsie wrote:I know that the movies are incontrovertible canon. What comes after the movies? Are novels or tech manuals next in line in terms of canon?
Its:
-His Divine Shadow
-George Lucas
-Movies
-Novellisations
-Scripts
-Radio Plays
-Official works connected to a movie(ICS, VD)
-EU Novels
-EU comics and techbooks
-other shit
I'm not sure about having Lucas above the other stuff. I don't think his word has much weight until it is actually in something.

Well it hardly matters since if I don't like it, I can void it.

TrekWarsie · Post by **TrekWarsie** » 2003-01-22 02:20pm

Which is greater in terms of canon, something that appears in a tech manual or in an EU novel?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-22 02:31pm

TrekWarsie wrote:Which is greater in terms of canon, something that appears in a tech manual or in an EU novel?

Depends on the tech manual, AOTC:ICS and AOTC:VD for example are higher on the scale than EU novels since they are closer to the movies.

The Essential Guides are not very close to the movies, nor are the books, so I would guess they are equal.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-22 05:37pm

Vorlon1701 wrote:Ah, thanks, been trying to get this list for months now.

My brother said Episode II was wrong, because of the Death Star plans. He said that Lemelisk designed it

He did, but not the whole thing. He was one of the contractors.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-22 05:44pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:Depends on the tech manual, AOTC:ICS and AOTC:VD for example are higher on the scale than EU novels since they are closer to the movies.

The Essential Guides are not very close to the movies, nor are the books, so I would guess they are equal.

I don't really think you can make exceptions in the canonocity heirarchy concerning official material, ie-just because the ICS is better than the EGTVV you can rate one higher-up than the other.

Since there is no official list for levels of oficialdom, I just figured it would go something like this:

Novels
Comics
Sourcebooks
WEG and other RPGs
Video Games

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-22 05:52pm

I know that games are part of official, but not game mechanics and stuff, but what about Force Heal? It is also mentioned in the books, but does it exist in the canon?

I mean, in TPM and AOTC Force Heal would have come in handy during the Darth Maul fight and for the Count Dooku battle. So does it exist or do they not know it or does it not exist or are they just dumb?

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-22 05:57pm

Force Heal can't repair severed limbs or a fatal blow. It presumably only works on minor wounds, and to restore stamina and energy.

Notice that Qui-Gon did indeed go into a meditative trance during the Maul battle. This is probably something akin to Force Heal; it regained his focus and restored his energy.

EDIT: In the Dooku battle, I'd guess that Obi could in theory have used some sort of Force Heal for his wounds, as they were not too serious. It's likely that he was simply too exhausted from the other events of the day, including the battle and wound. Also, Dooku could be dampening Obi-Wan's control of the Force. Additionally, Obi-Wan may not even know this trick at this point. We know that he knows something like it by the time of ANH, as he brings Luke back from unconsciousness (similar to JKO's multiplayer power of "Team Heal").
Really, the disuse of the power isn't that big a deal. Since the EU says it exists, and the movies don't contradict that, then it exists.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-01-22 05:58pm

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:I don't really think you can make exceptions in the canonocity heirarchy concerning official material, ie-just because the ICS is better than the EGTVV you can rate one higher-up than the other.

No, you can according to LFL policy.
The further away from the movies the less accurate they are, the ICS and VD are works based directly on the movies, hence are much closer to the "truth" than EU novels or sourcebooks that have nothing to do with the movies.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-22 06:07pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:No, you can according to LFL policy.
The further away from the movies the less accurate they are, the ICS and VD are works based directly on the movies, hence are much closer to the "truth" than EU novels or sourcebooks that have nothing to do with the movies.

Ah, I see, nevermind then.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-22 06:39pm

Robert Treder wrote:Force Heal can't repair severed limbs or a fatal blow. It presumably only works on minor wounds, and to restore stamina and energy.

Notice that Qui-Gon did indeed go into a meditative trance during the Maul battle. This is probably something akin to Force Heal; it regained his focus and restored his energy.

EDIT: In the Dooku battle, I'd guess that Obi could in theory have used some sort of Force Heal for his wounds, as they were not too serious. It's likely that he was simply too exhausted from the other events of the day, including the battle and wound. Also, Dooku could be dampening Obi-Wan's control of the Force. Additionally, Obi-Wan may not even know this trick at this point. We know that he knows something like it by the time of ANH, as he brings Luke back from unconsciousness (similar to JKO's multiplayer power of "Team Heal").
Really, the disuse of the power isn't that big a deal. Since the EU says it exists, and the movies don't contradict that, then it exists.

I was wondering, because it never seemed really clear what Force Heal could do.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-22 06:50pm

The real ability of Heal is the ability to keep on going unimpeded from glancing wounds and have remarkably quick recovery times from even incapacitating wounds.

However, Vision of the Future indicates it isn't magic; it takes several days to heal wounds that might otherwise take weeks. But Obi-Wan was out for the battle.

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-01-26 04:56pm

Darkstar and Mike Wong's fan fics are the highest, second only to the "Infinities" comic series.

Followed by all of the Star Wars based video games and RPGs,

The Star Wars Holiday Special is the next highest canon,

Then the Droids & Ewoks Cartoons and all the comics.

Then the novels, especially the works of KJA and Mike Stackpole and Timothy Zahn.

Finally, anything George Lucas wrote, the screenplays, the radio dramas and the novelisations of the movies.

Last, but not least, are the films themselves, the lowest canon.

Oops! Reverse it. ; )

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