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Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-07 06:40am

vakundok wrote:Distance (especially in space) absolutely can not be measured from one view. (Only if you know exactly the size of the related objects.) It could be even a 3 cm scratch on the window!

Can someone take a shot of the window just before Luke got his sword from the throne?

It doesn't matter how far away they are from the Death Star. What matters is their relative size and distance to each other.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-07 06:40am

Well, that ship seems to be around 20 pixels long and there are several 14-15 pixels long figures (eg the leftmost) which are far less detailed indicated that they are farther.
It has quite the shape of a destroyer with the tower (and supersturcture)on the top of the hull. The Executor tower is larger than even the multinodule tower, however we can not see its tower indicating that the Executor is farther.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-07 06:44am

vakundok wrote: It has quite the shape of a destroyer with the tower (and supersturcture)on the top of the hull. The Executor tower is larger than even the multinodule tower, however we can not see its tower indicating that the Executor is farther.

Are you sure about that? As I recall, the towers of every canonical Imperial vessels are the same size.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-07 06:53am

Vympel wrote:It doesn't matter how far away they are from the Death Star. What matters is their relative size and distance to each other.

Imagine two ISD the first is one kilometer farther and sligthly higher than the other. If you see them from one kilometer the first will seem approximately half the size of the second. But if you see them from 100 kilometers they will seem nearly of the same size. I think it does matter.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-07 07:02am

No. I am not sure. I tried Saxton's page but the tower section has benn upgraded.
But. If they are all the same size it is even easier to see which ship is closer, isn't it? The smaller the tower, the farther the ship and if we can not see the tower (but the ship has) it is even farther.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-07 07:06am

vakundok wrote: Imagine two ISD the first is one kilometer farther and sligthly higher than the other. If you see them from one kilometer the first will seem approximately half the size of the second. But if you see them from 100 kilometers they will seem nearly of the same size. I think it does matter.

Fair enough. When we see the Millenium Falcon rushing towards the Imperial fleet at the opening stages of the battle, we see nothing but the SSD and ISDs. There doesn't seem to be any ships that stand out there in terms of design, and the relative sizes of each Star Destroyer is about the same.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-01-07 07:28am

So, do you agree that that "big ship" is actually a regular ISD positioned closest to the Death Star?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-07 07:42am

vakundok wrote:So, do you agree that that "big ship" is actually a regular ISD positioned closest to the Death Star?

Most likely. It's unfortunate that the model was never finished; that ship is 'there' but based on what we see of the Imperial fleet it must adhere to the standard Star Destroyer design at least in respect of size if not hull.

ad_pellaeon · Post by **ad_pellaeon** » 2003-01-07 07:08pm

Is it possible that the 'big ship' hull is nothing but either the bow dorsal or ventral side of the Executor? We never see the hull terraces start in the film, however we only see the Falcon fly for about a kilometre so it is possible that they hadn't reached the terraces yet.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-07 10:02pm

ad_pellaeon wrote:Is it possible that the 'big ship' hull is nothing but either the bow dorsal or ventral side of the Executor? We never see the hull terraces start in the film, however we only see the Falcon fly for about a kilometre so it is possible that they hadn't reached the terraces yet.

It's the wrong colour unfortunately- and it doesn't resemble the front of the Executor at all. It would also require a level of detail on the Executor model that simply isn't there.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-31 08:53am

He put the Falcon into a controlled spin, and careened around the belly of the Imperial leviathan.

starship: The accompanying picture in the Illustrated Edition shows the scene in which Calrissian takes his ship across the surface of the movie's example of the interesting [anonymous destroyer #5], which lacks hangar facilities and ventral bulb. A minority of viewers watching the movie hoped to rationalise it as a dorsal region of the Executor or some other ship, despite the exact match to the peripheral ventral details of a star destroyer. The identification in the illustrated novel clearly places the scene on the ventral side of the ship, thus confirming the existence of a hangar-less warship of size similar to a destroyer.

From SWTC. http://www.theforce.net/swtc/novels/rotj.html

Follow the link- Saxton was right. It is the belly of a different kind of ship.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2003-02-01 06:38am

Vympel wrote:
vakundok wrote: It has quite the shape of a destroyer with the tower (and supersturcture)on the top of the hull. The Executor tower is larger than even the multinodule tower, however we can not see its tower indicating that the Executor is farther.
Are you sure about that? As I recall, the towers of every canonical Imperial vessels are the same size.

They are, the model makers said they did it deliberately as a scale reference.

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-02-13 05:22pm

Has anyone ever counted the structures on the destroyer models that can be guns or gunports their descriptions, locations and numbers and made it available on the net?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-02-14 03:47am

vakundok wrote:Has anyone ever counted the structures on the destroyer models that can be guns or gunports their descriptions, locations and numbers and made it available on the net?

Person who's come closest is of course Dr Saxton. Go to the Star Wars Technical Commentaries

vakundok · Post by **vakundok** » 2003-02-14 04:47am

I like his site because it is full of visual material. But he hasn't done it yet. "Numerous other cannons are distributed over the brim, dorsal and ventral planar surfaces of the ship." Eg what about the four holed structures?

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-02-14 04:50am

vakundok wrote:I like his site because it is full of visual material. But he hasn't done it yet. "Numerous other cannons are distributed over the brim, dorsal and ventral planar surfaces of the ship." Eg what about the four holed structures?

There are simply too many possibilities. We can't assume that every nook and cranny is a gun, and we couldn't even count all the nooks and crannies even if we could assume that.

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