Republic Government Thread

[Illuminatus Primus]

http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp? ... t=10282666

Someone glance through that quickly.

Apparently we have specific evidence of even a new Senate structure and building after Ruusan. Coruscant was possibly lost to Sith forces in the conflict.

Any one want to discuss?

[Joe]

http://boards.theforce.net/message.asp? ... t=10282666

Someone glance through that quickly.

Apparently we have specific evidence of even a new Senate structure and building after Ruusan. Coruscant was possibly lost to Sith forces in the conflict.

Any one want to discuss?

The book explains it like this: The Galactic Senate from Episode I and II was closed by Palpatine when the Empire rose; the New Republic Senate convened in a differentbuilding called Senate Hall. Senate Hall was bombed, and a new Senate building was constructed. The Galactic Senate building remained abandoned during this time, until the Yuuzhan Vong used it for their growing of the worldbrain.

Continuity issue here?

[Illuminatus Primus]

The "Senate Hall" appears to be the massive Senate chamber with millions of Senators and apparently stone architecture in which the Senate of the Ancient Republic (pre-Ruusan Reformation) convened in. Saxton has a picture in the Prequel section of his site. Sith Lord Ulic Qel-Droma was tried there.

The "Galactic Senate" is the building seen in Episodes I and II where the Old Republic's Senate convened.

The "Galactic Senate" was apparently closed when Palpatine became Emperor.

The Imperial Senate convened in the OLD "Senate Hall." (Confused yet?)

When the New Republic siezed Coruscant after the destruction of Onderon and Palpatine's final death 6 years post Endor, the New Republic Senate convened in the "Senate Hall."

In the New Rebellion novel, Dark Jedi Kueller orchestrates a terrorist bombing of the "Senate Hall."

A new Senate structure was built after this to replace the "Senate Hall" for the NR Senate. The "Galactic Senate" building remained closed, likely used as a museum or offices or something.

Based on illustrations in the New Jedi Order Sourcebook, the Senate Hall Replacement was similar to the "Galactic Senate," including the hover platforms.

The Yuuzhan Vong are using the "Galactic Senate" building from Episodes I and II to grow the "World Brain" used to control the biomechanical operations of the entire planet and to coordinate the terraformation of Coruscant.

Of course there's argument over this, and I thought it'd be interesting to see what everyone on this board thought. Give it a quick run through and tell me what you think.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

The "Senate Hall" appears to be the massive Senate chamber with millions of Senators and apparently stone architecture in which the Senate of the Ancient Republic (pre-Ruusan Reformation) convened in. Saxton has a picture in the Prequel section of his site. Sith Lord Ulic Qel-Droma was tried there.

The "Galactic Senate" is the building seen in Episodes I and II where the Old Republic's Senate convened.

The "Galactic Senate" was apparently closed when Palpatine became Emperor.

The Imperial Senate convened in the OLD "Senate Hall." (Confused yet?)

When the New Republic siezed Coruscant after the destruction of Onderon and Palpatine's final death 6 years post Endor, the New Republic Senate convened in the "Senate Hall."

In the New Rebellion novel, Dark Jedi Kueller orchestrates a terrorist bombing of the "Senate Hall."

A new Senate structure was built after this to replace the "Senate Hall" for the NR Senate. The "Galactic Senate" building remained closed, likely used as a museum or offices or something.

Based on illustrations in the New Jedi Order Sourcebook, the Senate Hall Replacement was similar to the "Galactic Senate," including the hover platforms.

The Yuuzhan Vong are using the "Galactic Senate" building from Episodes I and II to grow the "World Brain" used to control the biomechanical operations of the entire planet and to coordinate the terraformation of Coruscant.

Of course there's argument over this, and I thought it'd be interesting to see what everyone on this board thought. Give it a quick run through and tell me what you think.

Damnit. In De Imperatoribus Galacticis I thought the Senate Hall was still intact. *holds head* I'm supposed to be good at arcane political stuff...

...How badly damaged was it, again? I forgot New Rebellion like the plague.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Damnit. In De Imperatoribus Galacticis I thought the Senate Hall was still intact. *holds head* I'm supposed to be good at arcane political stuff...

...How badly damaged was it, again? I forgot New Rebellion like the plague.

Not very. The blasts were insufficent to destroy the actual structure and Leia survived without any serious injury and she was in the chamber at the time.

The blasts came from explosive-rigged-droids. SW equivalent of some guy delivering something in Congress that happened to contain pipe bombs or homemade claymore mines. Some groups of Senators will all killed, but some areas were little affected.

And might I have a link or such to your fanfic, Duchess?

[Joe]

The "Senate Hall" appears to be the massive Senate chamber with millions of Senators and apparently stone architecture in which the Senate of the Ancient Republic (pre-Ruusan Reformation) convened in. Saxton has a picture in the Prequel section of his site. Sith Lord Ulic Qel-Droma was tried there.

The "Galactic Senate" is the building seen in Episodes I and II where the Old Republic's Senate convened.

The "Galactic Senate" was apparently closed when Palpatine became Emperor.

The Imperial Senate convened in the OLD "Senate Hall." (Confused yet?)

When the New Republic siezed Coruscant after the destruction of Onderon and Palpatine's final death 6 years post Endor, the New Republic Senate convened in the "Senate Hall."

In the New Rebellion novel, Dark Jedi Kueller orchestrates a terrorist bombing of the "Senate Hall."

A new Senate structure was built after this to replace the "Senate Hall" for the NR Senate. The "Galactic Senate" building remained closed, likely used as a museum or offices or something.

Based on illustrations in the New Jedi Order Sourcebook, the Senate Hall Replacement was similar to the "Galactic Senate," including the hover platforms.

The Yuuzhan Vong are using the "Galactic Senate" building from Episodes I and II to grow the "World Brain" used to control the biomechanical operations of the entire planet and to coordinate the terraformation of Coruscant.

Of course there's argument over this, and I thought it'd be interesting to see what everyone on this board thought. Give it a quick run through and tell me what you think.

Well, obviously the New Republic used the OR Galactic Senate building for SOMETHING, given that Leia had offices there and Jacen was quite familiar with it. Maybe it wasn't the meeting place of the Senate, who knows what it could have been used for?

[Illuminatus Primus]

For you, Marina.

I know my explanation may seem to be a bit too bulky. However, Tears of Palpatine has written a neat, concise history for the the various Senate buildings. Enjoy.

Approximately five thousand years before the rise of the Empire, the Senate of the Galactic Republic was composed of delegates from each member of the Republic, or a basis of direct representation for members. Given the large membership, this made the Senate an enormous body, and a very large Senate Hall was constructed to house it.

After the violent wars leading to the Battle of Ruusan, the Republic underwent the Ruusan Reformation, and the entire government was changed significantly. One of the most important changes made was the membership of the Senate; with the creation of sector assemblies, it was determined that seats in the Senate should be on a sectorial basis (some senators were also designated to represent certain regions, as well).

The old Senate Hall, with its stone architecture, was determined to be unfit for use by the new Senate for a number of reasons: Amongst them, were the considerations that (a.) the Senate had decreased in size by a factor of well over a thousand times; and (b.) four thousand years of urban growth had changed the face of Coruscant, and the Senate Hall had become a subterranean chamber, which annoyed a number of Senators.

As a result, a new chamber was constructed on the urban surface which had covered the Old Senate Hall. Formally named the Galactic Senate Chamber, it was far more commonly known as the Senate Rotunda. The Galactic Senate Chamber used a different seating arrangement than did the Old Senate Hall; whereas the Old Senate Hall had simply had rows of stone benches, the Galactic Senate Chamber had a hovercar assigned to each delegation (when a delegate was recognised, the hovercar moved to the centre, toward the Speaker's Rostrum).

His Excellency Supreme Chancellor Palpatine moved his offices to the old Presidential Palace, and, when he acceded as Galactic Emperor, expanded it into the glorious Imperial Palace. An Imperial Decree was promulgated which granted Senatorial representation to each member state of the Empire, increasing the Senate membership to one million. The Rotunda could not accommodate that number, so it was determined that the Old Senate Hall, which had been preserved as a museum, was to be re-commissioned.

In a feat deliberately calculated to surpass the one-day construction of the Imperial Palace, the Galactic Senate Chamber and its surrounding grounds were literally moved en bloc to an area adjoining the Palace; the city sprawls beneath the area were lifted off the surface, and the Old Senate Hall was extricated from within the city. The city sprawls were replaced as they were, and the Old Senate Hall (now renamed the Imperial Senate Assembly Chamber, but still colloquially known as the "Senate Hall") was positioned such that it also adjoined the Palace and the Galactic Senate Chamber.

As it was determined that the full Imperial Senate was too large to function as a legislature, it usually elected a group of Senators to act as a praesidium council. The praesidium council was approximately the same size as the Senate had been in the last days of the Old Republic, and so used the Galactic Senate Chamber.

With the Declaration of Rebellion and growing evidence that a number of Senators, (including Her Royal Highness The Princess Leia of Alderaan, The Honourable Gno, and The Honourable Mon Mothma) were supporting counterrevolutionary reaction, on the advice of the lords and others of His Imperial Majesty's most honourable privy council, the Imperial Senate was prorogued, and remained dissolved for the duration of the emergency.

As the praesidium council was no longer seated, the Galactic Senate Chamber was converted into a large administrative annex to the Imperial Palace, and the main hall wherein the Senate had been seated became His Imperial Majesty The Emperor's pan-galactic address chamber. The Imperial Senate Assembly Chamber was simply closed altogether, pending the reconvening of the Imperial Senate.

In the violent seizure of Imperial Centre by counterrevolutionary forces, and its subsequent re-capture by Imperial forces under the command of General Balan, fighting was concentrated in the Imperial City near the Imperial Palace; like the Palace itself, the Senate Assembly Chamber and the Galactic Senate Chamber were both badly damaged during the fighting. When the so-called New Republic re-constituted following the Imperial reconquista, it was decided to refurbish the Senate Assembly Chamber [Illuminatus Primus: the original Senate Hall] for use by the Senate of the New Republic.

(Although the Senate was not as large as its Imperial and Republican predecessors, the Senate Assembly Chamber was chosen because the Common Charter provided for the Senate to dissolve into the New Republic Assembly on particularly important matters, such as the impeachment trial of the Chief of State President of the Senate. As the New Republic Assembly was larger than the Senate, it was determined that the larger Senate Assembly Chamber was better suited to serve ad interim.)

Kueller's bombing attack on the Senate did irreparable damage to the structure of the chamber itself. [IP: I disagree] Shortly thereafter, the Senate relocated to the Grand Convocation Chamber, whereat it continued to sit under the criminally stupid defence policies of the New Republic under Chief of State Borsk Fey'lya necessitated a prudent withdrawal from the planet. [IP: Interesting. The Grand Convocation Chamber is probably a structure within the Imperial Palace or a new building all together]

Tell me that if you had read that in any sourcebook, you would not be in continuity nerd heaven right now.

I think we have our "Senate Hall fix". Let this be laid to rest once and for all and have no more talk of Senate Halls. It's certainly not fair to the the authors of Coruscant and the Core Worlds, which is a fantastic book.

On a related note, the Imperial/Presidential Palace:

Excellence, the Coruscant and the Core Worlds ssourcebook has this to say about the Presidential Palace:

As Republic City horizontally and vertically , iconic structures sprang up to to reflect the glory of the star-spanning civilization. The Presidential Palace was a showpiece residence for the supreme chancellor, wqhile Senate Hall was a cavernous political arena with benches of polished stone.

Landmarks changed as history moved on. The Galactic Senate Chamber withits floating delegate platforms replaced Senate Hall. The Jedi Temple was erected as the seat of Jedi Leadership shifted from Ossus to Coruscant. The new Republic Executive Building accomodated governmental overflow from the Presidential Palace.

There you go Excellence. The Presidential Palace had been around at least 5,000 years before Yavin according to Corusant and the Core Worlds. Palpatine later turned it into the Imperial Palace.

Interesting to note. Supreme Chancellor has been a title in use for at least 5,000 years. Yet, his residence was the Presidential Palace. That would indicate that both President and Supreme Chancellor are accurate titles for the leader of the Old Republic. According to Cracken's Threat Dossier, the leader of the Republic was President of the Senate.

I personally disagree with Tears on the damage to the Senate Hall.

I wouldn't worry about it and simply add it was repaired in your fanfic.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Nothing is necessarily irrepairable; we'll just have had the appropriate Imperial construction units slap some plascrete here and there and prop up the weak spots with quadruple-redundant repulsor supports (Of course, that is a temporary fix, but Sule only needs it temporarily).

Thank you, and I shall use that and mention it in the appropriate revision (I'm definitely a continuity freak in my fanfiction, even when destroying said continuity).

EDIT: Ah, very good then. I'll turn this into an advert, then - Have you been reading it?

[Illuminatus Primus]

That's good.

I like care taken in fanfics, and a degree of respect to the tech. debates.

EDIT: Actually I just started. Usually does not take me long to find anything when I wish to.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

Also, I'm of the opinion that the Presidential Palace might be very old indeed, and could be called that from an era when the Republic did have a President.

[Illuminatus Primus]

I agree.

Personally I think the pre-Ruusan Reformation Republic should have a "President" with the post-Ruusan Reformation Republic having a "Supreme Chancellor."

Personally I'm thinking about writing a fanfic involving the Second Sith War that concluded at Ruusan. The continuity flubs irritate me there, and I'd like to tell a good story about the last war with the Sith before Palpatine's rise to power.

[The Duchess of Zeon]

I agree.

Personally I think the pre-Ruusan Reformation Republic should have a "President" with the post-Ruusan Reformation Republic having a "Supreme Chancellor."

Personally I'm thinking about writing a fanfic involving the Second Sith War that concluded at Ruusan. The continuity flubs irritate me there, and I'd like to tell a good story about the last war with the Sith before Palpatine's rise to power.

And I would be most interested in reading it.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Also on Coruscant...

The man who is in charge of the planetary government/administration of Coruscant is called the Chancellor.

Imperial/Galactic City has a mayor, so it would appear that Coruscant's cityscape is broken up into administrative cities and regions.

The Yuuzhan Vong have moved the planet closer to the sun, making it more tropical. They've pulverized one of the four moons into a rainbow colored ring that Survivors on Corucscant call "the Bridge." The other three have been relocated to new complex orbits mimicking those of the ancestrial Yuuzhan Vong homeworld, Yuuzhan'tar.