Disproving flakbursts

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-17 08:23pm

Found a very telling sequence in AOTC today that seriously disproves flakbursts:
http://www.hisdivineshadow.com/misc/ima ... kburst.jpg

As you can see, the burst occurs before the visible bolt, which is as it should be since the actual quanta is invisible and the visible bolt is more like a trail following, according to me anyway.

Now note that it burts in a flak like explosion worthy of a few kg of TNT, like a clone rifle or so.

But also note that the bolt continues straight through the socalled flakburst, clearly indicating that the bolt did not flakburst, but that a part of the bolt instead seemed to degenerate and react with the atmosphere, possibly due to it's proximity to LAAT shields, or it hitting some small particulate - opaque - matter large enough to cause such a reaction.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-17 08:24pm

TAKE THAT FLAKBURSTS!

*bows his head to the flak bursts he onced believed in*

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-17 08:59pm

I continue my theory that based on the chemical appearence of the flak bursts in AOTC, along with the modular design of the Genosian fighter weapons (seen against Obi Wan's gunship) and our little knowledge of the Droid Army's AA, they could easily be projectiles.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-02-18 02:01am

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:I continue my theory that based on the chemical appearence of the flak bursts in AOTC, along with the modular design of the Genosian fighter weapons (seen against Obi Wan's gunship) and our little knowledge of the Droid Army's AA, they could easily be projectiles.

Hmmm.... There were similar explosions in TESB and they weren't projectiles either.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-18 04:28pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:I continue my theory that based on the chemical appearence of the flak bursts in AOTC, along with the modular design of the Genosian fighter weapons (seen against Obi Wan's gunship) and our little knowledge of the Droid Army's AA, they could easily be projectiles.

It was likely the composition of Geonosis' atmosphere.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2003-02-19 12:58pm

It doesn't disprove the existance of flakbursts, it just proves that the explosions in AotC wasn't flakbursts...

Icehawk · Post by **Icehawk** » 2003-02-19 02:23pm

I always thought those bursting explosions were simply the result of the enemy shots striking or being affected by the shields of the LAAT. In accordance with the ICS, laser cannon weapons have an invisible portion traveling at c which explains why we see a burst effect before the shot hits.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-19 05:18pm

If the shot were a missle, wouldn't we see debris breaking off from a projectile that has just struck a shield? Knowing how powerful shields are in SW (KT level and all) I wouldn't be surprised if a missle would be destroyed/slowed considerably.

Although if I do say so myself, I (no longer) see no reason to argue this. TPM gives us perfect visual evidence that exploding laser bolts are a bolt/shield effect. Versus flaking which is pure speculation, and can ALL be explained by shields striking bolts. Canon > speculation.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-19 07:36pm

Dooey Jo wrote:It doesn't disprove the existance of flakbursts, it just proves that the explosions in AotC wasn't flakbursts...

These were the only remotely sensible claims of flakbursting.

The ESB ones were really bs.

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-02-19 08:30pm

I thought there were a bunch of unexplained explosions in the Endor spacebattle.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-19 08:32pm

You just see flashes amongst the fleets from Palpatine's throne room.

They are likely to be capship scale torpedoes blowing up and/or smallish ships like corvettes and or such exploding. Also possible it was the Rebel Transports turned into ramships loaded with proton charges (according to the ROTJ novelisation).

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2003-02-20 05:10am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:It doesn't disprove the existance of flakbursts, it just proves that the explosions in AotC wasn't flakbursts...
These were the only remotely sensible claims of flakbursting.

The ESB ones were really bs.

Aren't there flakbursts in the EU?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-02-20 05:16am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:You just see flashes amongst the fleets from Palpatine's throne room.

They are likely to be capship scale torpedoes blowing up and/or smallish ships like corvettes and or such exploding. Also possible it was the Rebel Transports turned into ramships loaded with proton charges (according to the ROTJ novelisation).

Is it possible that some of them could be shield flashes, too?

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-02-20 11:39am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Is it possible that some of them could be shield flashes, too?

According to TPM, yes.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-02-20 11:59am

A great evil has been defeated...

Now to disprove protocol droid soap operas.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-20 03:42pm

Dooey Jo wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:It doesn't disprove the existance of flakbursts, it just proves that the explosions in AotC wasn't flakbursts...
These were the only remotely sensible claims of flakbursting.

The ESB ones were really bs.
Aren't there flakbursts in the EU?

No(atleast not in any definite way), infact there is one scene where a complicated turn of events is used to improvise flak using a star destroyers weapons and asteroids.

And also, if they could flakburst, the Yuuzhan Vong's defenses would have been rather useless.

Dooey Jo · Post by **Dooey Jo** » 2003-02-20 04:40pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Dooey Jo wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote: These were the only remotely sensible claims of flakbursting.

The ESB ones were really bs.
Aren't there flakbursts in the EU?
No(atleast not in any definite way), infact there is one scene where a complicated turn of events is used to improvise flak using a star destroyers weapons and asteroids.

And also, if they could flakburst, the Yuuzhan Vong's defenses would have been rather useless.

Then who came up with the idea that such a thing as flakbursting existed? Is it just a myth?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-20 04:42pm

Because things that looks and acts like flakbursts exists and it's easy to call them that, they're not intentional though, or particularly powerfull.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-20 04:58pm

As I recall, the original idea for flakbursts comes from the ESB novel.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-02-20 04:59pm

Ender wrote:As I recall, the original idea for flakbursts comes from the ESB novel.

Yes, but it's just a colloquialism.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-02-20 05:54pm

The novel referred to flakbursts, yes. It didn't say that the turbolaser blasts themselves were flakbursting, however, if I recall correctly.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-03-01 12:42pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:You just see flashes amongst the fleets from Palpatine's throne room.

They are likely to be capship scale torpedoes blowing up and/or smallish ships like corvettes and or such exploding. Also possible it was the Rebel Transports turned into ramships loaded with proton charges (according to the ROTJ novelisation).
Is it possible that some of them could be shield flashes, too?

So you assume the more complicated theory that for some reason is shoehorned into supporting a pile of bullshit (flakbursting). Circular reasoning. They're shield flashes because it's flakbursting, thus they must be shield flashes.

Thus they're not shield flashes. Esp. since none that bright are observed in the space combat scenes.