Force Technology?
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Force Technology?
Is there any examples in Star Wars where technology is used to replicate Force powers? If not, why not? The Force is by far among the most potent / strongest power in the Star Wars galaxy. How come after thousands of years of being wielded by organic sentient beings no one had actually attempted to replicate Force powers and abilities via technology e.g. Bio-mechanical technology? Think of the potential applications and implications!
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Re: Force Technology?
Based on Star Wars I - The Phantom Menace, Midi-chlorians, which are a symbiot microorganisms in all living things and communicate with the force.
So, in order for a driod or other piece of bio-mechanicals; they would have to study this microorganism, figure out how to "train it" to become symbiotic with a piece of machinery. In my mind that would be akin to implanting a mitocondrial DNA inside a nanite and the build a robot to be able to use it.
Was General Grevious able to use the force? I am unable to find any references authough he was attributed with killing hundreds (?) of Jedi. So, either this cyborg (?) doesn't need midi-chlorians because of his mechanical reflexes are superior to a Jedi using the force, or this is the only example of a mechanical (possibly bio-mech) being utilizing the force powers.
So, in order for a driod or other piece of bio-mechanicals; they would have to study this microorganism, figure out how to "train it" to become symbiotic with a piece of machinery. In my mind that would be akin to implanting a mitocondrial DNA inside a nanite and the build a robot to be able to use it.
Was General Grevious able to use the force? I am unable to find any references authough he was attributed with killing hundreds (?) of Jedi. So, either this cyborg (?) doesn't need midi-chlorians because of his mechanical reflexes are superior to a Jedi using the force, or this is the only example of a mechanical (possibly bio-mech) being utilizing the force powers.
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Re: Force Technology?
Grievous isn't a force user and there's been attempts to artificially infuse people with the force how ever those attempts have failed (only exception being the reborn and the cult of ragnos members from the Jedi knight game series).
even then it was trying to give force powers to living creatures not machines
even then it was trying to give force powers to living creatures not machines
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Ok, I wasn't sure...just wanted to point out that if Grievous wasn't a force user, then it would be safe to assume that it was not a requirement as the Jedi can be outmatched with technology NOT requiring the force.
Therefore one could possibly conclude that midi-chlorians are not compatable with technology and that is why it was not done...simply just not possible.
Therefore one could possibly conclude that midi-chlorians are not compatable with technology and that is why it was not done...simply just not possible.
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Re: Force Technology?
the relationship between the Midiclorians and the force is complex to say the least, but to make a long story short you cannot give someone the force simply by injecting them with Midiclorians.
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Yes, I gathered that from your earlier post. Which is also a clue as to why it hasn't been tried outside of a non-living entity as the OP was questioning.
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Re: Force Technology?
I think an easier task wouldn't be Force technology but anti-Force technology. Knowing that every ysalimir possesses the capacity to negate Force powers, it should be possible for a sufficiently amoral biologist to work out which bits are necessary to create the effect.
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Re: Force Technology?
What? Like some kind of battle armor with a Ysalaimir Force-nullifying organ grafted to a miniature life-support system on its backpack? Or specialized cloning facilities that allows efficient splicing of Ysalaimir DNA into genes of clone soldiers allowing them to be able to naturally resistant to Force powers?Grumman wrote:I think an easier task wouldn't be Force technology but anti-Force technology. Knowing that every ysalimir possesses the capacity to negate Force powers, it should be possible for a sufficiently amoral biologist to work out which bits are necessary to create the effect.
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Re: Force Technology?
Pfffft, splice the Force-nullifying genes with some fast-growing biochemical resistant weed, and seed entire biospheres with it.
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Re: Force Technology?
You intend to wipe out Force-users?KlavoHunter wrote:Pfffft, splice the Force-nullifying genes with some fast-growing biochemical resistant weed, and seed entire biospheres with it.
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Re: Force Technology?
I'd just like to point out that Grevious is not a droid. He is a highly enhanced cyborg, so he has biological bits left.
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Like a bio-weapon virus that destroys the midichlorians? Would need to be air-borne.Grumman wrote:I think an easier task wouldn't be Force technology but anti-Force technology. Knowing that every ysalimir possesses the capacity to negate Force powers, it should be possible for a sufficiently amoral biologist to work out which bits are necessary to create the effect.
Yes, thank you Captain obviousLord Relvenous wrote:I'd just like to point out that Grevious is not a droid. He is a highly enhanced cyborg, so he has biological bits left.
We have covered that.
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Re: Force Technology?
How did you get that from what I said? Bioweapons that kill midichlorians are no better than bioweapons that kill people directly. I was talking about taking something that actually works (the ysalimir's ability to negate force powers) and reverse engineering it to develop a mechanical or biomechanical device with the same ability.cadbrowser wrote:Like a bio-weapon virus that destroys the midichlorians? Would need to be air-borne.Grumman wrote:I think an easier task wouldn't be Force technology but anti-Force technology. Knowing that every ysalimir possesses the capacity to negate Force powers, it should be possible for a sufficiently amoral biologist to work out which bits are necessary to create the effect.
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Not hardly...If said bio-weapon is engineered to ONLY target and neutralize the midichlorians then you've effectively negated ANY lifeform from being able to use the force.
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Re: Force Technology?
Except it will also kill everything, as Qui Gon says in TPM:
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Re: Force Technology?
1) Force-based technology was made by the Rakata. It ended badly, and it seems likely to always go that route. Apparently, powerful force-tech become alive... with a mind of its own.
2) Force users aren't necessarily organic, nor are all lifeforms in SW organic. Ref: Iron Knights.
3) There's plenty of Force users with an obvious interest that no Force tech sees the day, unless it happens to be under their strict control. This goes times x1000000 for anti-Force tech.
There's plenty of material to read up on, but that's the general conclusion I make.
2) Force users aren't necessarily organic, nor are all lifeforms in SW organic. Ref: Iron Knights.
3) There's plenty of Force users with an obvious interest that no Force tech sees the day, unless it happens to be under their strict control. This goes times x1000000 for anti-Force tech.
There's plenty of material to read up on, but that's the general conclusion I make.
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Oh hell. That's right.Eternal_Freedom wrote:Except it will also kill everything, as Qui Gon says in TPM:
"Without them, life could not exist and we would have no knowledge of the Force." Emphasis mine.
Unless that is more of a philosophy than a fact. But I conceed the point nonetheless.
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Re: Force Technology?
What kind of Force-tech do the Rakatan have besides the Star Forge?
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correct me if I'm wrong but isn't pretty much all of Rakatan tech at least powered by the Force, thus explaining why they lost the ability to use it once they lost their Force abilities.SpaceMarine93 wrote:What kind of Force-tech do the Rakatan have besides the Star Forge?
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Re: Force Technology?
Pretty much everything they used was force powered, except for the most basic technologies. The hyperdrives that the Rakata used were even force powered and controlled.SpaceMarine93 wrote:What kind of Force-tech do the Rakatan have besides the Star Forge?
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Also, read Riptide. A SpoilerImperial528 wrote:Pretty much everything they used was force powered, except for the most basic technologies. The hyperdrives that the Rakata used were even force powered and controlled.SpaceMarine93 wrote:What kind of Force-tech do the Rakatan have besides the Star Forge?
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Re: Force Technology?
Doesn't Proxy imitate force powers when it uses hologram technology to mimic Jedi?
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To a degree yes, but tbh it's not that hard to imitate the effects of certain force powers, after all PROXY is an aid for combat training so the powers he's suppose to "use" would be those used in combat, the telekinectic ones, high reaction speed, force lightning and such.Jedi Commisar wrote:Doesn't Proxy imitate force powers when it uses hologram technology to mimic Jedi?
a low power repulsor or something similar could be used to mimic the telekicnetic abilities, high movement and reaction speeds isn't that hard for a droid, force lightning could be mimiced with an actual electric discarge.
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