Economy and Budget

[Himser]

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Howdy,

I have a few ideas based on the economy of Star wars.. and either the Old Republic or the Galactic Empire tax System.

Basically do not know where many of the Numbers Came from originally but i will do my best to provide you with where i got them from..

First i indicate a minimum tax revenue of either intergalactic government to be at least 4,088,127,869,000,000,000,000 Credits. put bluntly that's a LOT of money.

Just to pay for the Manned Garrisons of Army Units in each sector ( i would assume close to 2.5 Billion Soldiers) X 1025 Sectors that's only $36,603,443,251,200,000
or 0.00001% of the total Budget.. even if it costs 10X Their Pay for each soldier per year in Training, Materials, Insurance ect costs.. that doesn't even dent 1% of the Galactic Budget.

that assumes that there is only 2.5 Billion Soldiers per sector....Just Army

Space Fleet my number are less thought out. but assume he 25000 ISDs that these forums seem to use. that's 654 Million credits a year for Pay. or let be conservative and assume that in space is more expensive to Feed, Cloth, Train and Use your troops. so 20X pay for each soldier in a ISD for everything. and that's 13.2 Billion Credits per ISD Per Year ( i cannot think that a ISD can cost more then that to operate as a Nimitz Class today costs 50,000 per Crewer total today) so that's 329,000,000,000,000
a year.... so 0.1% of the Army total...


overall... my numbers have to be Wrong lol they cant be wasting 99.98% of their Budget on non millatary activities... either we need 1000X the Star Destroyers in use, and 100X the army ( 250 billion troops per sector) or cut the population down considerably or cut the income down... either way.. what does the empire do with all it money?

PS: Maybe that why they can waste it on Death Stars and the like with no real problem



Definitions and Figures i used

Average Troop income: 14000 credits per year based on pay of Canadian Forces..

Credit: Standard Currency of Star Wars

Average Income: median income of an average star wars citizen, i estimate 8722 credits ( based upon average GDP PPP of the G20 of Earth, converted to UK Pounds,( the only numbers that i found to be consistent were the Tax less Price of Beer in the UK was 2 pounds, and the price of beer aboard the Death Star from the book Death Star was 2 credits. thus i estimated that the Currency Conversion between USD and Star Wars Credits was roughly the same as between USD and UK Pounds. and he fact that Canada's Per Capita Income is 88% of our PPP GDP per capita,)

Inhabited Worlds: Total "inhabited" of 12 million, ( i have done my figures for the 1 million inhabited worlds as well)

Tax Rate: (at a 5% Tax to intergalactic government Rate, excludes all Local, Regional and Planetary Taxes)

Nimitz Crewer: Not including Air service as it does not look like the Budget included air services (http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/naval- ... -cost.html)

so Assumptions in this
--Beer in the Death Star is Taxless, like many millatary bars around the world.
--Star Wars Credit is smiler to UK Pounds<--> USD exchange Rate
--I'm Right... Please tell me if you have any Solid Cannon number that i can use to revise, or even better EU stuff, price of Beer while a Good Number is not perfect i would like multiple data points to be able to come up with a better conversion. Or even using the G20 as an example of good Star wars demographics, maybe star wars has more middle class taxpayers making my g20 based numbers moot.

[atg]

Just some thoughts off of the top of my head. You seem to basically be counting only the costs of ground troops and fleet crews of ISDs for your military budget. For a full budget you would also need to consider:
Crew for other ships - Executors, Interdictors, Escort Carriers, etc etc
Crew for maintenance facilities - repairs, fueling, etc
Cost of maintenance on the fleet
Cost of fuel for the whole fleet
Cost of munitions for the fleet
Cost of building ships/shuttles/fighters
Cost of building support facilities
Cost of maintaining support facilities
Cost of ground vehicles
Fuel for ground vehicles
etc, etc

No idea where you could get figures for all that though

[Himser]

Yea i agree. wish i had some numbers (and Time) to back up that stuff. i will end up estimating the interdictors and SSDs ect eventually

simple estimate tho, we assume that the imperial Navy cost the same Per Person as the USA Navy. the USA Navy budget per person in Galactic Credits is about 200,000 (being very generous as that includes the entire budget and ALL navy personal including part timers) it equals to 9.4 Billion Credits per ISD... so less then my previous estimate. so let be fair and assume that there is 100 Support Crew for every actual crewer of an ISD. (including crew of Command ships, bases ect) so 25000 X 47000 X100 X 200,000= 2.35X10^16.... or 4 magnitudes too short to even dent the Galactic Budget.. (unless we can say there is 1 million support people for every crewer on every star destroyer... but i cant even think that's realistic?)

[Simon_Jester]

How did you get 'minimum tax revenues' accurate to nine significant figures?

I'd be amazed if the IRS can budget that precisely, and it has real books to go over.

[Batman]

'Since when are the Empire or the Old Republic an intergalactic government? Now there's a lot of EU I don't know (and given the EU I do know I'm probably better off that way) but last I checked they were transgalactic, nothing more. Entire galaxy, yes, multiple galaxies, no.
Not that the term intergalactic government makes any sense anyway.

[Eternal_Freedom]

'Since when are the Empire or the Old Republic an intergalactic government? Now there's a lot of EU I don't know (and given the EU I do know I'm probably better off that way) but last I checked they were transgalactic, nothing more. Entire galaxy, yes, multiple galaxies, no.
Not that the term intergalactic government makes any sense anyway.

It may refer to the SW galaxy's dwarf satellite galaxies. We know the Commerce Guild had some operations in one of the satellites.

[Himser]

How did you get 'minimum tax revenues' accurate to nine significant figures?

I'd be amazed if the IRS can budget that precisely, and it has real books to go over.

Thanks Simon_Jester i re evaluated some numbers based on the triple check i did because of your point now its more accurate.

lol I agree i used a nice excel chart. let me know if any of my number are off by your estimates.. i have not read much EU so

based on 69 million Represented systems (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_galaxy)

total 69 million Represented systems 1.75 million Full Members, 50% of all stars in galaxy have a planet = resource planets (https://www.cfa.harvard.edu/~dkipping/numberofhabs.html)

Systems Types Systems Total
0.001% City World systems(Full Member) 18
1.999% Massive Cities systems (Full Member) 34,983
10% Wholly Developed systems(Full Member) 175,000
25% Mid Developed systems(Full Member) 437,500
60% Sparsely Developed systems(Full Member) 1,050,000
Hinterland systems 67,250,000
Resource Systems 139,931,000,000
Total
Sector Average (1024 sectors) 136,718,699


Type of planet Population
City World 58,800,000,000,000
Massively Developed 5,880,000,000,000
Wholly Developed 588,000,000,000
Mid Developed 58,800,000,000
Sparsely Developed 5,880,000,000
Hinterland 588,000,000
Resource 50

City world ( like Coruscant) population Based upon Population density of dense Hong Kong, times by a planet the size of Coruscant (and its system)(http://www.theforce.net/swtc/astro.html#coruscant)[i prefer to use Hong Kong density rather then a suburb as Coruscant has massive skyscrapers that dwarf Hong Kong's tallest buildings] and other types of planets are i estimate 10x less then their more populated counterpart system. as far as i think this worked out pretty well as earth would be a Sparsely developed planet, which is consistent with our level of technology and industrial production compared to a much more advanced and much more resource intensive Galaxy. (they can put industrial zones of their societies on their moons, in star bases, on other planets and even pull from other resource and hinterland systems)

166,186,849,605,455,000,000 is the total revised tax figure.. (or 166 quadrillion) based upon 8722 income average and a 5% tax rate. so a very large tax base.

[Himser]

'Since when are the Empire or the Old Republic an intergalactic government? Now there's a lot of EU I don't know (and given the EU I do know I'm probably better off that way) but last I checked they were transgalactic, nothing more. Entire galaxy, yes, multiple galaxies, no.
Not that the term intergalactic government makes any sense anyway.

lol your right TransGalactic would be more accurate. but in some EU (mainly Zahn, which i have actually read) they did want to travel to other galaxys? i think on that note even PanGalactic would be wrong as that implies all of the galaxy.