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Were there really two? I always thought Palpy encased the lightsaber he used in a statue made of really dense material to fool weapon scans and smuggle it into the office. And some time before Mace tried to take him out he retrieved it by remotely activating it with the force.Havok wrote:IIRC in the novel he does indeed have two lightsabers in his ofice. I think one was imbedded in a statue.
Isnt part of the problem is that the Jedi didnt take the Sith's version of the prophecy into account? If they had, they would have known damn well what would have happened.Knife wrote:*sigh*
Anakin is the key to the whole thing true, but not in the negative sense you're saying.
First off, Anakin isn't the start of the problem. Arguably the Republic is, and arguably Jedi like Mace Windu are. I believe it was the RotS novel explaining that Mace Windu broke the Jedi code about no attachments. He loved the Republic, was a fanatic about it. It shows in that he was willing to do a coup for it, and even earlier do heavy surveillance on the Senate for it, all arguably outside the scope of the Jedi. Yoda also said it himself, the Jedi were too arrogant and sure of themselves.
You can also place the blame on who ever made the prophecy, or more importantly the entity that made the prophecy happen. The Force.
Without Anakin, the transition to the Galactic Empire isn't as clean, but it does happen. Anakin informs the Jedi who Sidious is that lead 4 of it's Masters to death quickly. Without Anakin that doesn't happen, but the 'plan' still goes forward. Order 66 may or may not take out Windu, hard to tell. Without Anakin there is no assault on the Temple by him, but the clone would still go. Do some Jedi get away? To do what? The Republic still falls and the Jedi are still crushed.
You know what doesn't happen without Anakin, the Emperor isn't killed. With no Anakin, there is no safety valve some 20 years later to make the 'correct decision' and off Palpatine. With no death of Palpatine, no Imperial fleet in disarray. No Rebel victory, no destruction of the Deathstars, the Empire remains.
Basically you get rid of Anakin, you ensure Palpatine's victory and make sure he stays for a long time.
He wasn't. The bulk of the plan was concocted before Palpatine even knew of Anakin's existence.The Disintegrator wrote:I would say that Anakin was required for the Galactic Empire to come about for the plan that Palpatine used.
Different prophecy.Dominarch's Hope wrote:Isnt part of the problem is that the Jedi didnt take the Sith's version of the prophecy into account?
I don't think that post means what you think it means. The plan Anakin was "slotted into" is what I'm talking about, and for it to be sitting there preceding Anakin being "slotted into" it, it existed in a form not dependent on Anakin. Order 66 did not depend on Anakin, and the idea behind it was invented before the Sith even knew of Anakin. "And considering that Order 66 took care of most of them, it'd really be a matter of Palpatine would just need a new way of dealing with a few of the Jedi Masters."Batman wrote:Palpy equally undeniably slotted Any into his plans, yeah, the plan Palpatine actually used kinda depended on Any being available.
