Book/Movie discrepancy

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-13 12:06am

Ok, I read all the stuff on the Advt., but I still have a question. Maybe you guys can help me out with this one.

In Splinter of the Mind's Eye, Luke conjures up this big white ball of energy that he chucks at Vader. This is all, obviously, before Luke and Vader's encounter in the movie. What I want to know is this: If Luke could conjure up that kind of energy before the movie, why didn't he hurl a similar ball of energy at Vader again (or even Palpy) in the movie?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-13 12:20am

I have not read Splinter.

However, I would assume that 1) Vader and Palpatine would have no trouble blocking it; Luke knows this from experience so he doesn't bother and 2) this technique just isn't very effective, given that I don't recall any instance involving force-users flinging energy balls (except in some off the games).

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-03-13 12:28am

Durran Korr wrote: this technique just isn't very effective, given that I don't recall any instance involving force-users flinging energy balls (except in some off the games).

FYI:

Joruus C'Baoth threw a Force energy ball at Thrawn and Pellaeon, but they were protected by a Ysalamiri.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-03-13 12:31am

He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.

And Shinova, that was Force lightning.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-13 12:38am

Durran Korr wrote:I have not read Splinter.

However, I would assume that 1) Vader and Palpatine would have no trouble blocking it; Luke knows this from experience so he doesn't bother and 2) this technique just isn't very effective, given that I don't recall any instance involving force-users flinging energy balls (except in some off the games).

1) In SotME, Vader got hit and fell down a well (if I remember correctly).

2) Apparently it takes a great amount of Force sensitivity (which Luke obviously had), an amount that few people posessed. But apparently Joruus posessed that ability too (thx Shinova, didn't know that). I'm not going to go into a Joruus vs. Luke debate concerning Force ability, but I will say this: If a relatively untrained Jedi like Luke can chuck around balls of white energy in the OT, the sequels ought to be DAMNED interesting. But I suppose I have a while to wait for them.

Queeb Salaron · Post by **Queeb Salaron** » 2003-03-13 12:41am

Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.

Didn't he? I thought he took it with him?

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-13 12:56am

I don't think Splinter of the Mind's Eye is even official. It royally fucks with the movies since it was released before ESB and ROTJ.

Post by **Kuja** » 2003-03-13 01:02am

Queeb Salaron wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.
Didn't he? I thought he took it with him?

It lost its power when he took it out of the temple.

I don't think Splinter of the Mind's Eye is even official. It royally fucks with the movies since it was released before ESB and ROTJ.

It is. It's in all the Essential Guides.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-13 01:19am

IG-88E wrote:
It is. It's in all the Essential Guides.

*blechhhhhhhhhh*

Too bad huh.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-03-13 01:27am

Connor MacLeod wrote: And Shinova, that was Force lightning.

In Heir to the Empire?

It looked like a ball and it exploded against the ysalamiri field.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-03-13 02:03am

I don't know how the comic depicted it, but it was force lightning.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-03-13 03:36am

Mr Timothy Zahn's Heir to the Empire (Bantam, 1991) describes C'baoth's attack as Force lightning, and the intent was clearly for it to be the same phenomenon displayed by the Emperor in Return of the Jedi (and now by the Count of Serenno in Attack of the Clones). Given Mr Lucas's more recent comments, it appears that he now envisions the lightning as a "Sith-only" power.

Mr Alan Dean Foster's Splinter of the Mind's Eye (Del Rey, 1978) is indeed canonical and official. Indeed, it would be a shame for it to be otherwise; it represents one of the earliest glimpses into the Star Wars universe, in a way that few of its successors can match: Mr Foster wrote the original novelisation, and there are even rumours that Splinter of the Mind's Eye was intended as a low-budget sequel in case Mr Lucas could not afford to make The Empire Strikes Back.

Publius

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-03-13 03:45am

Shinova wrote:Joruus C'Baoth threw a Force energy ball at Thrawn and Pellaeon, but they were protected by a Ysalamiri.

That was lightning

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2003-03-13 03:46am

Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.

Did he have this when he fought Guri?

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-03-13 05:30am

I like A.D.Foster but "Splinter" is one of the most boring story I ever read...

The Kaiburr crystal were left at Halla. (at least I remember like that)

BTW, Zahn described C'baoth's attack as a force lightning...

@Queeb Salaron: Funny avatar! Is it the Lego Boba?

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-03-13 06:15am

Queeb Salaron wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.
Didn't he? I thought he took it with him?

He had it, but it was useless away from the planet Mimban (the effects of the amplification weakened the farther it got from the planet.)

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-03-13 06:16am

His Divine Shadow wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote:He didnt have the Kaiburr Crystal amplifying his Force powers post Splinter.
Did he have this when he fought Guri?

Probably, but it wouldnt have done anything to enhance his Force skills away from Mimban.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-03-13 06:27am

Connor MacLeod wrote: Probably, but it wouldnt have done anything to enhance his Force skills away from Mimban.

\

Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-03-13 06:32am

Darksider wrote:
Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal

Whoever wrote that should be fucking shot.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-03-13 06:34am

Darksider wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote: Probably, but it wouldnt have done anything to enhance his Force skills away from Mimban.
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Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal

Yes, the essential chronology.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-03-13 06:35am

Vympel wrote:
Darksider wrote:
Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal

Whoever wrote that should be fucking shot.

Why?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-03-13 04:15pm

1) In SotME, Vader got hit and fell down a well (if I remember correctly).

He was likely taken by surprise, similar to how he Luke's dark side rage took him by surprise in RoTJ.

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2003-03-13 04:37pm

Connor MacLeod wrote:
Darksider wrote:
Connor MacLeod wrote: Probably, but it wouldnt have done anything to enhance his Force skills away from Mimban.
\

Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal
Yes, the essential chronology.

That thing was written by KJA. I'm inclined to take it with a grain of salt.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2003-03-13 05:49pm

Silver wrote: That thing was written by KJA. I'm inclined to take it with a grain of salt.

KJA????? ::::goes and tears up copy of "essential" chronology::::

Raptor 597 · Post by **Raptor 597** » 2003-03-13 06:05pm

Vympel wrote:
Darksider wrote:
Actually he did have it with him. One of the "essential guides" says he put it in his lightsaber as the focusing crystal

Whoever wrote that should be fucking shot.

It didn't work numb nuts.

He took it out and kept it as a keep sake.