Not that it would be trivial to build a regular army to do it for him. Building a militarized state in any form would be a massive undertaking, and success in that venture would probably mean he could take over the galaxy. The clones I think make sense simply by virtue of secret buildup, or they were kept in storage like Solauren suggested. He needs an army on the spot to respond to a sudden crisis, else the Jedi might come up with another solution that he doesn't have direct control over. To kill the Jedi, he needs a centralized, militarized, police state, and a slow Separatist Crisis and a slow build up might eliminate all three.Crazedwraith wrote: ↑2021-09-22 05:08amI didn't say Palpatine's plan had to be 100% infallible. I said he had no interest in presenting the clones with a moral dilemma and trusting they'll eliminate the Jedi for him because apparently they will inevitably hate them. Why would he give them the chance to disobey if the technology exists in-universe to reduce or eliminate that possibility with clones? If anybody would inevitably hate and shoot the jedi for him as you seem to be implying, why a clone army at all?KraytKing wrote: ↑2021-09-21 07:02pm No, hold on a minute. When did we decide that Palpatine's plan had to be 100% infallible? He is trying to overthrow the Republic and destroy the entire Jedi Order in one fell swoop, after the Jedi have been the sole visible representation of the Force in the galaxy for a thousand years and the most powerful for tens of thousands. Can he not be impressive without planning for literally every possible eventuality? If he destroys 70% of the Jedi Order in a few days of bloodletting, including the Temple, and has at the end of it sole control of a militarized state in control of most of the galaxy, then he has still won. The remaining Jedi can be hunted down easily enough while he secures his domain.
I am arguing that the chips should not exist because they don't need to. Obviously, in universe, if mind control technology exists then the embodiment of evil and ambition is going to use it. No fucking shit.
Oh piss off. I said that wasn't being argued, because you're right, the Force being a bad thing doesn't belong in Star Wars. That was tangential to my main point, which is that a professional military built without the Jedi involved is going to immediately classify them as what they are: an enormous potential threat. The clones were raised in isolation, and don't have that background knowledge that the Jedi are infallible. They came into a galaxy to fight an enemy LED by a fallen Jedi, after all.Then you have no business writing Star Wars if you think there is no possibility of Jedi being a good thing.Let me clarify what I said about ROTS. The clones need to go from obeying the Jedi to killing the Jedi in a moment, they do NOT need to go from loving the Jedi to killing them. You can set up the clones to dislike the Jedi but grudgingly get along, but once you spend five seasons making them love each other, then you've kind of shot yourself in the foot. It isn't insurmountable, but you need to have more than two brain cells to rub together.
mean, guys, come on. The Jedi have the power to alter minds. They are individually immensely powerful, and they follow the rules of a mysterious unelected body. OF COURSE they might need to be killed. Whether or not the clones like them or they like the clones, it has to be in the back of the mind of everyone who has ever MET a Jedi. They have SUCH incredible power to launch a coup; a small number can theoretically overpower the Chancellor's bodyguards, their high command and largest concentration is right next to the heart of the galactic government, they have their own communications infrastructure, and the masters might hold dictatorial power (no one knows, they don't talk about themselves). They are the scariest cunts around, no matter how benevolent they seem right now. If the order comes down that the Jedi have betrayed the Republic, the clones that like the Jedi aren't even going to be able to trust themselves! If I hesitate to pull the trigger, is that because I feel love towards Kenobi, or because the devious bastard is altering my mind and memories right now? And regardless, I have to act RIGHT NOW because if I don't, he might realize he's in danger and get me first.
I would argue that there is no possible reality in which the Jedi are a good thing, or superheroes, or wizards, or anything like it. That isn't being debated right now, and that kind of cynicism isn't really Star Wars in nature. But if we're talking realism, that's what's realistic. Those men are going to be afraid of a Jedi takeover the moment they meet one.
You are projecting your own feelings and point of view on to everyone in the Star Wars galaxy and claiming it's logical and the only way people could possibly see this. This is just flat out wrong. the Jedi are an institution. They are the guardians of the peace and justice in the Republic for a thousand years/Generation. If they were going to take over, they could have done it centuries or millenia ago. People have grown up with them in place, they're are not going to be as paranoid about them as you think they are and there's very little in canon to suggest anyone having those views.
You're really grasping at straws. Yes, the traitors to the Empire would be hunted down like in Legends. No, treason would not be tolerated. Yes, 30% survival of the Jedi is too high, that's why I said "in the first week of bloodletting." Most of the Jedi are killed off in one fell swoop, and the rest are too scattered and decentralized to mount an effective resistance while the Empire, perhaps still called the Republic, hunts them to extinction. Obviously all the Jedi have to die, as do all the clones who might have helped in that process. Hunting them down might even be a good thing, authoritarian states usually need an existential enemy for the propaganda to whip people into action.Darth Yan wrote: ↑2021-09-22 01:17am Palpatine's an egomaniac and sees the clones as his tools. He wouldn't tolerate ANY of them disobeying him (hell in Legends he has Vader go to kill the unit that DID disobey). And even 30% being around is still a threat because they could join together and try to take him out. So no. In that regard he's not going to want to take chances.
