The "twist" in ep. III

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Stravo wrote:The twist ladies and gentlemen is so fucking simple. Palpatine is the Emperor. That revelation is the twist. Its so fucking obvious and been telegraphed since TPM. Now WHY is this the twist? Because not everyone are fanboys and whores like us. Not everyone has read the EU or boned up on SW rumors on the internet. NOt everyone reads and writes fanfics based on SW, not everyone makes it one of the central hobbies of their lives.

This twist is for the casual viewer who sees the movies in the theater and MAYBE buys the DVD later or rents it. We KNOW what's going to happen because we live and breath this stuff and many of us have to take a step back and put things in perspective. There will be no "I am your father twists" That twist is the Emperor's revelation. Now was the name Palpatine EVER mentioned in the OT?? NO. We only know that's the Emperor's name from WEG and the EU. So let's remember that the vast majority of fans are not the freaks and geeks that dress up like SW characters and debate the physics of SW. They are casual viewers and this twist is meant for them. So sorry.
Um, I think that it's pretty freakin' obvious that they're the same actor. They have the same voice and all :) doesn't seem like a very good twist.
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Kintaro wrote:I am sure many of you have heard about Lucas's "twist" he has in store for us in part 3. I hope it is not something obvious, like Palpatine being Sidious (EVERYONE knows that). It better not be lame either, like Palpatine not being Sidious, or Palpatine being Anakin's father. What do you guys think?
I surely hope it's not anything like what you mentioned, though as I said, at one point I did wonder if Palpatine had any kind of hand in Anakin's conception...

I'm afraid it might be something as obvious as Palpatine = Sidious. Believe it or not, my best friend had no clue the two were connected after we'd gone to see TPM at the movies a half-dozen times or so. And my bro is a smart guy! (He ain't real observant, though, you might say ;) .)

Point being, if he didn't know who was who, your average viewer might not either. But I find even that hard to swallow...

Perhaps it's a twist that doesn't really deal with the main characters' roles in the OT. Or maybe it's something just really far out...Anakin might turn out to be a true-blue Jedi, and Palpatine, disappointed, kills him only to make a clone from him. Maybe Dooku has something to do with the twist.
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Whatever happens, it had better be good :)
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Here's another thought:

Kenobi told Luke that Vader killed his father. When Luke learned the truth, Ben sorta stood by his statement, noting that when Anakin became Vader, he killed the part of himself that was Luke's father.

Well...maybe there are two Anakins? Palpatine might've been able to get a hold of that midichlorian count sample in TPM. While they are genetically the same, and the original Anakin is turning in the general direction of the Dark Side, perhaps there's a clone of him who literally kills the original. In a sense, he'd still be Luke's father, and he would've killed the "good part of himself" in a manner of speaking.

You'd think Kenobi would know all of this, though, and many of the things he said in ROTJ aren't consistent with this idea. But could he have been kept in the dark (harhar) somehow? Could the clone/Dark Anakin be made to resemble the original in most ways; e.g., some memories of his mother's death, living in slavery, the illicit relationship with Padme, the mechanical hand?

I know that is far-fetched and I don't seriously propose it (and no, I do NOT like the idea!), but I wanted to throw that out simply because I haven't seen anyone else say it yet :)
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seanrobertson wrote:Here's another thought:

Kenobi told Luke that Vader killed his father. When Luke learned the truth, Ben sorta stood by his statement, noting that when Anakin became Vader, he killed the part of himself that was Luke's father.

Well...maybe there are two Anakins? Palpatine might've been able to get a hold of that midichlorian count sample in TPM. While they are genetically the same, and the original Anakin is turning in the general direction of the Dark Side, perhaps there's a clone of him who literally kills the original. In a sense, he'd still be Luke's father, and he would've killed the "good part of himself" in a manner of speaking.

You'd think Kenobi would know all of this, though, and many of the things he said in ROTJ aren't consistent with this idea. But could he have been kept in the dark (harhar) somehow? Could the clone/Dark Anakin be made to resemble the original in most ways; e.g., some memories of his mother's death, living in slavery, the illicit relationship with Padme, the mechanical hand?

I know that is far-fetched and I don't seriously propose it (and no, I do NOT like the idea!), but I wanted to throw that out simply because I haven't seen anyone else say it yet :)
Certainly not the weirdest...some of which implied that Obi-Wan Kenobi was a clone of Ben Kenobi.

I think once there was a thread of this on TFN...
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Ghost Rider wrote:
seanrobertson wrote:Here's another thought:

Kenobi told Luke that Vader killed his father. When Luke learned the truth, Ben sorta stood by his statement, noting that when Anakin became Vader, he killed the part of himself that was Luke's father.

Well...maybe there are two Anakins? Palpatine might've been able to get a hold of that midichlorian count sample in TPM. While they are genetically the same, and the original Anakin is turning in the general direction of the Dark Side, perhaps there's a clone of him who literally kills the original. In a sense, he'd still be Luke's father, and he would've killed the "good part of himself" in a manner of speaking.

You'd think Kenobi would know all of this, though, and many of the things he said in ROTJ aren't consistent with this idea. But could he have been kept in the dark (harhar) somehow? Could the clone/Dark Anakin be made to resemble the original in most ways; e.g., some memories of his mother's death, living in slavery, the illicit relationship with Padme, the mechanical hand?

I know that is far-fetched and I don't seriously propose it (and no, I do NOT like the idea!), but I wanted to throw that out simply because I haven't seen anyone else say it yet :)
Certainly not the weirdest...some of which implied that Obi-Wan Kenobi was a clone of Ben Kenobi.

I think once there was a thread of this on TFN...
All this cloning stuff is getting silly. :roll:
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I still say that Tarkin needs to be in Ep. III. Just as llong as he is in there, I'll be happy.
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Admiral Johnason wrote:I still say that Tarkin needs to be in Ep. III. Just as llong as he is in there, I'll be happy.
I hope they find someone who look like a young Peter Cushing.
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Montcalm wrote:
Admiral Johnason wrote:I still say that Tarkin needs to be in Ep. III. Just as llong as he is in there, I'll be happy.
I hope they find someone who look like a young Peter Cushing.
What about Jeremy Irons?? I think he looked very Cushing-like in House Of The Spirits.)

(although Jude Law might be another good choice)
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Jude would need a lot of makeup. Is he the one from Road to Perdition?
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What could be funny in episode III,is seeing young Han Solo and young Lando Calrissian with their parents on Coruscant before all hell break loose. :wink:
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David Warner as Sate Pestage. :mrgreen:

Just think of him saying something to the Senate like "All rise for his Majesty the Emperor Palpatine!" :mrgreen:
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Montcalm wrote:What could be funny in episode III,is seeing young Han Solo and young Lando Calrissian with their parents on Coruscant before all hell break loose. :wink:
Well, Han is a Corellian orphan, so that's not too likely. And I don't see how you can't make the Sidious=Palpatine deduction. I mean, they have the same voice and the same outfit. Sidious' outfit literally screams Emperor.
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Darth Yoshi wrote:
Montcalm wrote:What could be funny in episode III,is seeing young Han Solo and young Lando Calrissian with their parents on Coruscant before all hell break loose. :wink:
Well, Han is a Corellian orphan, so that's not too likely. And I don't see how you can't make the Sidious=Palpatine deduction. I mean, they have the same voice and the same outfit. Sidious' outfit literally screams Emperor.
And it being the same actor for ROTJ too makes it a bit obvious.
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Yeah, but most people don't read the credits. As soon as the credits roll, they just up and leave.
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I don't think that tha Sidious=Palpatine is the twist.

Even my parents (and my little sister) know that Sidious=Palpatine.

And I wouldn't say that they are rabid SW fans.
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Darth Yoshi wrote:I don't see how you can't make the Sidious=Palpatine deduction. I mean, they have the same voice and the same outfit. Sidious' outfit literally screams Emperor.
I allready deduced it a long long time ago,like all of us i guess only Yoda suspect something about Palpatine.
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