Maybe we should have a refresser course on Canoon

[AL]

I have been reading some of these threads and posts and some are just crazy. I'm not going to say which ones you all know what i'm talking about and which posts i mean, and I don't want to judge. Maybe we should go over what is cannon and what is not. I'm sure everyone knows hat is and what isnt.

[David]

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[His Divine Shadow]

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When you stop using yellow I will.

[Aaron2]

I have been reading some of these threads and posts and some are just crazy. I'm not going to say which ones you all know what i'm talking about and which posts i mean, and I don't want to judge. Maybe we should go over what is cannon and what is not. I'm sure everyone knows hat is and what isnt.

The problem isn't what's canon or not, the problem is that different people place different value on EU vs canon. Some people like be inclusive with EU, trying (desperately at times) to make as much EU as possible mesh with canon. I, on the other hand, am a canonist and will take one offhand comment in the Radio Drama to invalidate reams of EU and official publications.

A good example of this is the SE ending of ROTJ. To me, its pretty clear that within hours of Palpatine's death, the Empire was completely and totally overthrown. This, of course, goes against vast number of EU books (which even include Rebel attacks on Coruscant). Neither viewpoint can be proven either way so, in the end, its up to the idividuals to argue back and forth about it.

Aaron (the troll)

[Stormbringer]

A good example of this is the SE ending of ROTJ. To me, its pretty clear that within hours of Palpatine's death, the Empire was completely and totally overthrown.

It shows the people celebrating the death of a brutal tyrant. It does not show the Empire being overthrown.

an AL, what canoon??

[Ender]

I'm pretty sure Canoon is the vernacular spelling ot the conjugated phrase "To caone", or "To paddle a canoe"

[Vertigo1]

I'm pretty sure Canoon is the vernacular spelling ot the conjugated phrase "To caone", or "To paddle a canoe"

hahah

Don't ya love it when typos happen?

[Ender]

My title on my other forums is "Lord of Typos!"

There was even one where you quoted me there.

[Howedar]

God knows I've seen "cannon" enough, but "canoon" is a new one.

[Subnormal]

Trys to remember dictionary pronunciation of Canon, is it said like "Kane in" "Can-on" "can-in" But I think the word derives from a religion or something that means true.

[SPOOFE]

Some people like be inclusive with EU, trying (desperately at times) to make as much EU as possible mesh with canon.

I see nothing wrong with this mindset. Using nothing but canon material leaves us with very little evidence to work with. Incorporating EU material allows a much larger base of evidence from which we can draw our conclusions.

And you'd be surprised at how very little of the EU contradicts canon material. Canon material is absolute, but open to interpretation, like what Stormbringer pointed out.... YOUR interpretation was that the Empire had been overthrown instantly. Stormbringer's interpretation was that there were just a bunch of people celebrating the fact that Palpatine was overthrown. The EU clearly states that there were a LOT of people on Coruscant who hated the Empire. Further, the movie DOESN'T show the aftermath of that debacle. Would you assume, from watching five minutes of footage from the L.A. riots a few years back, that the United States gov't had been overthrown? Of course not.

For all we know, five seconds after the camera cuts away from the party on Coruscant (and, incidently, we wouldn't know that planet was Coruscant if it weren't for EU material... ), a massive Imperial strike team shows up and slaughters all the dissenters.

[Darth Yoshi]

In fact, the EU states that that is pretty much what happened during the riots. Stormies come in and "subdue" the crowd, if you will.

[Jack Lain]

The "what is canon?" is a big topic with me.

As many others have previously posted & myself. There is no reason to escape to this area in order to win a debate.

The position on the EU is quite plain. Official. Unless it contradicts the films, it counts. No and, if or buts.

As Spoofe said: "Would you assume, from watching five minutes of footage from the L.A. riots a few years back, that the United States gov't had been overthrown? Of course not."

I think that sums it up nicely. :)

[Cal Wright]

Personally for me I just mainly stick with the movies. I have read lots of books and seen all types of info on the EU. Strangely enough, you can read through any EU book and find numerous contradictions to the movies. Sort of like they trip over themselves trying to over explain what happened in the movies, or what happend off camera. Heh. I'll have to go through one day and make a list. Starfighters of Adumar I don't believe have anything were they contradict canon. Except that Hobbie suicided into Veers' AT AT killing them both in the ESB novelisation. heh. Back on topic though. On the Pure Star Wars forum I'll look into everything. Obviously because there is much to explore. In any Star Trek vs Star Wars debate I stick heavily on the movies and move down the slope as needed. Usually do not have to wander far though. Take the size of the Death Stars and the SSD for example. You'll run rings around yourself trying to get that one straightened out if you use everything equally.

[AL]

Sorry about the spelling, it was late.