Padme, who's side is she on really?

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2002-09-22 03:32pm

Sorry this occured to me during Ecks vs. Sever.

Padme is 5 years older that Ani and a politition. It stands to reason she should be at least a little more worldly than him. Yet she swoons like a teenager with her first big crush. What if its all an act?
What if she's working for Palpatine and he wants her to seduce the kid so the most powerful Jedi ever will be under their control not the Jedi councils. (this being the reasons Palpy told her) Reinforced by Ani's 'friendship' with Palpatine, ie they bring the marriage into the open, the council disapproves and Palpy supports them.

More on this later

RayCav of ASVS · Post by **RayCav of ASVS** » 2002-09-22 03:39pm

clearly herself, because we all know deep down she's secretly a greedy bitch

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-22 04:12pm

Oops, I hit the wrong button. I was trying to vote for Anakin not Anakin v.2. (Lame poll choice anyways). I think she is in love with Anakin for a few reasons. First she has always been tied to her people, her planet, the overall good of the galaxy. She's always out there for others and not herself. She's been so locked up in it, and untouchable that she's never really had anyone other than her handmaidens and as we see in the novelisation to AotC her family remotely. Then along comes Anakin, who in spite of always wanting to be a Jedi, long before Padme came around, is willing to throw it away for her, for his mother, and really for Obi Wan (yeah, he was going to do what Obi Wan told him and the council and stay put). She sees this in him, and I really think it makes her think about things. That she's not really just everyone's political object or someone they interact with because they work with them, that she is actually everything to someone. As much as ppl balk and question her falling for Anakin even after he confesses what he did, it still shows Anakin isn't this 'Jedi' that people are so used to seeing, or hearing about. That he is really human after all. Not only that, he places a HUGE amount of trust in her. Her feelings were really brought into the open when they were about to die, and she had to actually LOOK at what her life was about.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-22 06:24pm

Padme loves the Republic. She is not on any of the "sides" mentioned above. I imagine that this will be elaborated on in Episode III.

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-09-22 08:54pm

The novelization of AOTC's gives a little more reason for why Padame "swoons" for Anakin. it takes place over at least a little bit more time. Plus she recieves a lot of pressure from her family to leave public service and settle down. Her older sister also has two children that Padame really loves. Basically she's been working since her preeteens so her biological clock kicked in earlier and harder than it would with other career women.

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2002-09-23 12:37am

Tsyroc wrote:The novelization of AOTC's gives a little more reason for why Padame "swoons" for Anakin. it takes place over at least a little bit more time. Plus she recieves a lot of pressure from her family to leave public service and settle down. Her older sister also has two children that Padame really loves. Basically she's been working since her preeteens so her biological clock kicked in earlier and harder than it would with other career women.

I tried to post this with an 'Other (please explain) option but it vanished when the poll posted.

Crown · Post by **Crown** » 2002-09-23 03:13am

I think that during AOTC, she was very much commited to the ideals of the Republic. I think that it was made rather clearly, or am I lacking insight

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greenmm · Post by **greenmm** » 2002-09-23 01:58pm

I vote for mistake.

Not that she couldn't love Annakin, but she's spent so much time in public service that she's never had time for a private life of her own. To have someone like Annakin, who's powerful, sure of himself, and apparantly slavishly devoted to her, went straight to her head.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-09-23 05:36pm

Anakin "I killed them all. They are like animals! So I slaughtered them like the animals they are."

Padme "Gee that's too bad sweetie. Now let's do the nasty, then we go shopping to the mall, alright dear?"

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-23 06:44pm

Slartibartfast wrote:Anakin "I killed them all. They are like animals! So I slaughtered them like the animals they are."

Padme "Gee that's too bad sweetie. Now let's do the nasty, then we go shopping to the mall, alright dear?"

Read my article on that. The meaning of that scene will become clear.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2002-09-23 07:18pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
Slartibartfast wrote:Anakin "I killed them all. They are like animals! So I slaughtered them like the animals they are."

Padme "Gee that's too bad sweetie. Now let's do the nasty, then we go shopping to the mall, alright dear?"
Read my article on that. The meaning of that scene will become clear.

Article? Where? URL?

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2002-09-23 09:19pm

Probably the Republic. She likes Naboo, but didn't use her political powers to help much.

Of course, I'd like her to be by my side!

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-23 11:48pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Read my article on that. The meaning of that scene will become clear.
Article? Where? URL?

http://www.stardestroyer.net/AOTC/Symbolism.html

It's actually on SD.net. Mike was very gracious in putting it up for me before the boards came up.

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2002-09-24 12:13am

MoO: I agree on the symbology but did it ever occur that it was an intentional act by the character of Padme?

As queen (if the visual dictionary is to be believed) virtually every item of her royal wardrobe is symbolic. Her meeting with the Gungans showed she understands symbology and its psychological impact quite well.

If my theory of an alterior motive is true, this merely strengthens the position. She knew what she was doing and how best to use it. If you want to see a master of using personal symbology read a biography of Adolph Hitler. As much as I despise his very existance he knew that every word and gesture was important and used spent hours perfecting his body language to sway the masses. Padme has it easy, she has similer training in the use of body language and Anakin has a ten year old crush on her. He's also a hormonal teenager who tends to judge quickly without thinking (notice his opinion of Palpatine and his political views, despite his attempt to make them seem like he was kidding.)

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2002-09-24 12:18am

So your the silly bastard that wrote that thing! That actually fell in line with my way of thinking of AotC. Star Wars has always had literally thousands of backgrounds to it, and underlining meanings. This is no exception. People seem to expect something out of the Prequels, and they don't know what it is. If you've ever read the Magic of Myth, it really opens you up to everything about Star Wars. Recommended for anyone who likes Star Wars.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-24 12:27am

Guys, my article was by no means a comprehensive study of all symbolism in Episode II. It certainly was not meant as a comprehensive guide to the allusions, symbols, metaphors, and similes within the entire SW saga. There are UNDOUBTEDLY vast numbers of other references within the saga that were not even glossed over in the article. There is a reason why so many people think that Lord of the Rings, B5, and SW rip each other off so often. They are all written from the same kinds of sources: Beowulf and Le Morte D'Arthur. In the article, I was trying to show that such levels of the story existed, not to study them in depth (though I would CERTAINLY read anything about that, also).

Setesh · Post by **Setesh** » 2002-09-24 12:36am

Several of Cambell's books make mention of star wars symbology, the last one I read has Luke on the cover (The whole book is about hero's) I remember Several points where he compared SW to classic myth and pointed out where they where differant. (Incidently, having read some of Cambell's work I found Brin's essay to be laughable beyond words.)

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-09-24 12:42am

Setesh wrote:Several of Cambell's books make mention of star wars symbology, the last one I read has Luke on the cover (The whole book is about hero's) I remember Several points where he compared SW to classic myth and pointed out where they where differant. (Incidently, having read some of Cambell's work I found Brin's essay to be laughable beyond words.)

In all seriousness, you don't have to read Cambell to find Brin's essay laughable. In any case, though, the focus of his essayhs is solely mythological references (and mostly on a few specific kinds). He does not go into some of the things that my article covered, although my article clearly does not cover anywhere near the amount of material that he deals with in his books. Neither is meant to be comprehensive. I am not aware of any works that ARE meant to be comprehensive on the subject, and although my knowledge of such matters is by no means comprehensive in and of itself, I would be surprised if such a work existed.

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Padme, who's side is she on really?

Who's side is Padme really on?

Padme, who's side is she on really?