Fighters vs. capships: Stackpole Style!

[Connor MacLeod]

I wouldn't bother if I were you, as comics go they have good production values, and some decent art. But seriously they are even more poorly written than most EU novel. Which is scary, consider that a short story should give you less room to screw up.

REally? I've found the comics to be quite useful (as has Wayne, the "Griff Star Destroyers ramming the Executor's Bridge" incident proves this for one.) as has Saxton himself (he draws from the comics as much as from anty other EU source, I might add.) They are no less subject to any scrutiny or consideration than any other source, and are by no means "crap." The Dark Empire series remains one of my favorites to this day.

HA! I've got you beat. In Shadows of the Empire Evolution, Guri's ship (which is Millennium Falcon sized mind you) completely destroys a shielded ISD with 6 proton torpedoes.

And no they didn't hit the tower either!

Anybody wanna run a calc. on those torpedoes...sheesh.

And whats wrong with the assumption that Guri used high yield proton torpedoes? A few extremely powerful torps would be more likely to locally overload a section of shielding than a barrage of more numerous but less powerful ones (think of one HTL vs two or three LTLS combined)

Seriously comics are good for basic information like: names, locations, aliens, ship types, etc. But if your dealing with any form of combat, forget it. Comics are even worse than WEG.

Unfortuantely one cannot "segregate" EU sources like that. The only distinctions are made between canon (the movies and their novel/radio adaptions), official/EU (IE NJO and post Endor, etc.) and "non-canon" (IE Infinities).

[Ghost Rider]

Sometimes though the comics somewhat exaggerate the effectiveness of things to propagate the story(Guri shooting down an ISD with 6 torps...hell the game never does that and they were easily the grossiest off-balance of all)

But they have done a good deal to expand our knowledge of SW universe as well.

[Kuja]

Well exuse me for not being Comic boy guy

Okay!

[Spartan]

Connor MacLeod wrote:

Really? I've found the comics to be quite useful (as has Wayne, the "Griff Star Destroyers ramming the Executor's Bridge" incident proves this for one.) as has Saxton himself (he draws from the comics as much as from any other EU source, I might add.) They are no less subject to any scrutiny or consideration than any other source, and are by no means "crap." The Dark Empire series remains one of my favorites to this day.

I think you miss understand me I have all the comics, even a good number of the original marvel run. My point was as you said that they should be taken with a gain of salt, when it come to technical accuracy. Now leaving aside the Dark Empire series which is simply a gorgeous first rate production. The vast majority of are indeed poorly written, and often in consistent as can easily be seen by reviewing Dr. Saxtons site. Contradictions abound! I agree that they can be useful for our debates; but if your looking for a good story, and character development you'll need to look elsewhere.

And whats wrong with the assumption that Guri used high yield proton torpedoes? A few extremely powerful torps would be more likely to locally overload a section of shielding than a barrage of more numerous but less powerful ones (think of one HTL vs two or three LTLS combined)

Actually, I don't have a problem with Guri having such high yield proton torpedoes. She was the second in command of a galaxy spanning crime syndicate. My concern is that they are have higher yields than anything we've ever seen before. A single small vessel takes out an ID with (6) torpedoes. Mr. Bean mentioned 24 torps with yields of 658 GT; well this bumps that figure up to 2.63 TT for a fighter scale proton torpedo. I guess we have to bump up the yield on those capital ships mounts torpedoes, like the Accumulator.

Unfortunately one cannot "segregate" EU sources like that. The only distinctions are made between canon (the movies and their novel/radio adaptations), official/EU (IE NJO and post Endor, etc.) and "non-canon" (IE Infinities).

I do know and understand the Lucasfilm cannon policy, and I agree with you that we should not "segregate" EU sources. I have always taken that comics to be equal to the novels as there both literature. However, I stand by my comments on combat in comics; they should be very carefully scrutinized and compared with other sources.

[Spartan]

Connor MacLeod wrote:

I suppose there's no reason at all to assume that Kir Kanos, an Imperial Guardsman, did not rig the scimitar to explode or rig it with a bomb in any way whatsoever that was enough to do the damage it did?

Conceded. I assumed that the droid simply overloaded the scimitar’s reactor.

IG-88E wrote:

Yes, your correct. It would obviously set off any missiles or fuel in nearby fighters, thus adding to the explosion.

There are know other fighters or craft visible in the bay prior to the explosion, the landing bay had apparently been cleared prior to the scimitar being tractored aboard. We know that ISD have magazine which would assembly be armored and shielded. Those magazine are also likely some distance from the flight line, also from ICS we know that TIES are stored in vaults a good distance from the launch bays. Stormbringer is correct that secondary explosions could have destroyed the vessel, but that is not what we see. The comic shows one massive explosion ripping through the dorsal and ventral surfaces of the ISD. The comic doesn’t show any secondary explosions, but it jumps from the explosion to another scene. When we next se the vessel its drifting derelict. There no way to know for sure.

Mr. Bean wrote:

Even so the armor around the Reactor itself is speced to take a *Bombardment by HTLs which rate in the Teraton range, secondary explosions even from a hundred tie Engines is not going to do much compared to the single Teraton level destruction of a HTL bolt

I doubt the reactor blew because there was still a good deal of the vessel left; the bridge tower and the entire engine section. Given the power the SIR must contain the ship should have been vaporized. More than likely the explosion tore from its mounts and pushed it down and away.