Most Fascinating Wars culture

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-30 01:07pm

Though not as much a part of its appeal as it is to Star Trek, Star Wars has nonethless shown us many cultures that they have presented over the course of five movies and over a hundred books, from the Empire to the Yuuzhan vong to the Hutts to the Rodians- the list goes on an on. Which one do you find most fascinating?

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-01-30 01:28pm

I wound the idea of a second sentient species on Kashyyk in willing 'descendance' fascintating, as well as the Wookies accepting one day it will be time to reverse roles for a while (reference: Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy)

However, I find the concept of the Sith Empires fascinating

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-01-30 01:48pm

The Mandalorians as a culture, now extinct, seems real interesting.

Corellians seem to have a unique reputation in the galaxy as very adventurous and independent. I wonder how they got that reputation.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-01-30 02:01pm

I think the Hapans where very interesting with their whole isolationism and their matriarcical society.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2004-01-30 02:03pm

I used to have a strange fascination with the Kaminoans, if only because all official SW literature I could access said so little about them.

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-01-30 02:08pm

Bertie Wooster wrote: Corellians seem to have a unique reputation in the galaxy as very adventurous and independent. I wonder how they got that reputation.

Han Solo being extremely famous certainly helped reinforce Corellians reputations as adventurous and independent although in some of the Bantam era EU it sometimes seemed he was little more than a glorified house husband.

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2004-01-30 03:16pm

Yoda's people, mostly because they are one of the few remaining mysteries of SW that the EU or Prequels haven't succeeded in spoiling yet (or at least they were the last time I checked).

Stravo · Post by **Stravo** » 2004-01-30 03:18pm

Mandalorians hands down. I love them so much because as far as I know there is little to no information on them. So I've made them a central race in my Twilight War fanfic so I can flesh them out in my own way.

Bertie Wooster · Post by **Bertie Wooster** » 2004-01-30 03:33pm

Stravo wrote:Mandalorians hands down. I love them so much because as far as I know there is little to no information on them. So I've made them a central race in my Twilight War fanfic so I can flesh them out in my own way.

My friend played and beat KNights of the Old Republic, and the Mandalorian's history is central to the story arc of the game.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-01-30 04:53pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Yoda's people, mostly because they are one of the few remaining mysteries of SW that the EU or Prequels haven't succeeded in spoiling yet (or at least they were the last time I checked).

You're correct; neither the prequels or the EU have shed light on Yoda's people. We don't even know what species he is.

General Zod · Post by **General Zod** » 2004-01-30 06:26pm

there's also very little to no information on the original Sith race. i personally would like to see more on them beyond barebones facts that's been presented in the various guides.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-01-30 06:59pm

Bertie Wooster wrote:
Stravo wrote:Mandalorians hands down. I love them so much because as far as I know there is little to no information on them. So I've made them a central race in my Twilight War fanfic so I can flesh them out in my own way.
My friend played and beat KNights of the Old Republic, and the Mandalorian's history is central to the story arc of the game.

The way they are portrayed in that game is truly fascinating.

But for me, the Sith are even more fascinating.

Equinox2003 · Post by **Equinox2003** » 2004-02-01 03:41am

I would say the Aqalish, followed by the Gran.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-02-01 02:23pm

Stravo wrote:Mandalorians hands down. I love them so much because as far as I know there is little to no information on them. So I've made them a central race in my Twilight War fanfic so I can flesh them out in my own way.

There's quite a bit of information on them, actually. Read The Sith War, play Knights of the Old Republic, or read that recent Jango Fett origin-story comic for more info.

Xenophobe3691 · Post by **Xenophobe3691** » 2004-02-01 04:55pm

Solauren wrote:I wound the idea of a second sentient species on Kashyyk in willing 'descendance' fascintating, as well as the Wookies accepting one day it will be time to reverse roles for a while (reference: Black Fleet Crisis Trilogy)

However, I find the concept of the Sith Empires fascinating

Where in those books does it mention this? I'm afraid I don't have those books on me, and it's been years since I last read them...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-01 04:56pm

The Tales of the Jedi graphic novels.

Golden Age of the Sith
Fall of the Sith Empire
Tales of the Jedi
Dark Lords of the Sith
The Sith War

However, these don't tell of the "true" Sith from long before then.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-02-01 07:30pm

Mandalorians and Stormtroopers. The former is obvious. The latter perhaps less-so. I'm somewhat curious as to what kind of sub-culture would have developed in those immense ranks, especially between the clones and the conscripts/enlisted troops. Also, how they fit into (in their own eyes) the galactic scheme of things, and so forth. I think it could be very interesting.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-01 08:29pm

McC wrote:Mandalorians and Stormtroopers. The former is obvious. The latter perhaps less-so. I'm somewhat curious as to what kind of sub-culture would have developed in those immense ranks, especially between the clones and the conscripts/enlisted troops. Also, how they fit into (in their own eyes) the galactic scheme of things, and so forth. I think it could be very interesting.

It depends.

The Kaminoan and Kaminoan-style clone Stormtroopers are like the AOTC Clonetroopers, dumb and fanatically dedicated. Living droids.

The GeNode Stormtroopers are akin to a bunch of Marines who all look alike but have no fucking clue, and delude they have normal friends and family. They realize others are clones, and that the first brand are clones.

The recruits sometimes know, and sometimes don't. The Tantors were Stormtroopers, but they were isolated from their unit, which was almost certainly clones.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-02-01 08:48pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Kaminoan and Kaminoan-style clone Stormtroopers are like the AOTC Clonetroopers, dumb and fanatically dedicated. Living droids.

The GeNode Stormtroopers are akin to a bunch of Marines who all look alike but have no fucking clue, and delude they have normal friends and family. They realize others are clones, and that the first brand are clones.

The recruits sometimes know, and sometimes don't. The Tantors were Stormtroopers, but they were isolated from their unit, which was almost certainly clones.

Ooh, wait, sounds like stuff I didn't know about. GeNode?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-01 09:19pm

McC wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:The Kaminoan and Kaminoan-style clone Stormtroopers are like the AOTC Clonetroopers, dumb and fanatically dedicated. Living droids.

The GeNode Stormtroopers are akin to a bunch of Marines who all look alike but have no fucking clue, and delude they have normal friends and family. They realize others are clones, and that the first brand are clones.

The recruits sometimes know, and sometimes don't. The Tantors were Stormtroopers, but they were isolated from their unit, which was almost certainly clones.
Ooh, wait, sounds like stuff I didn't know about. GeNode?

Illuminatus Primus wrote:On Cloning and the Imperial Stormtroopers...

The Stormtroopers originate with the Grand Army of the Republic. The Grand Army, was initially composed of 200,000 combat troops developed at the Kaminoan capital of Tipoca City. The Kaminoan clone forces were nationalised into the Grand Army as part of the provisions of the Military Creation Act, authorized by Supreme Chancellor Palpatine after granting of emergency powers by the Galactic Senate.

192,000 of those combat-ready infantry were deployed in combat against the nascent Confederacy of Independent Systems at the factory world of Geonosis. Shortly thereafter, another 1,000,000 clones were readied for battle and were quickly deployed in fire brigade/spec-ops style against several Confederate threats. Presumably, the other many millions of clones in production at Kamino became ready at varying times within the next three years of war.

Meanwhile, Republican engineers, scientists, and technicians, working from the base of the Kaminoan cloning vats, developed a new clone vat capable of growing a clone from zygote to full adult. It is also probable that the Republican designers also created the "flash-memory imprinting" system that custom-wired the growing brain to contain a given set of memories and skills. The Spaarti Creations company and the Cranscoc Twillers developed the Clone Cylinders which were buried under the mostly empty world of Wayland.

It is possible that this technology was leaked to the Seperatists, and some Confederate ships were crewed by clones that were grown too rapidly. These clones went insane. These frenzied and mad encounters with the Republican Navy would leave an impression on later-Imperial Remnant Grand Admiral Pelleaon before the clones were put down. Continued use may have eventually created stable crewers if grown for at least a year.

Presumably, when the war ended and the Galactic Empire was founded, the Grand Army was encorperated into the Imperial Marines, or the Stormtroopers, despite the fact that the Galactic Empire officially banned all full-body sentient cloning (ref: DESB). However, hidden enclaves, possibly in the Deep Core, were constructed for the continued production of cloned soldiers. *Initially, these facilities produced clones similarly to Kamino, where infant or toddler clones were raised at normal or accerated growth rate to young adulthood. This chronologically, logistically, and financially costly process became cost-prohibitive.

Using a refined varient of the Spaarti-brand cloning cylinder technology buried at Wayland, Emperor Palpatine established cloning facilities on Byss and Coruscant, for the production of clone bodies for his quest to immortality.

It is possible the "GeNode" facilities were derived from the Spaarti-brand cylinder technology as well. Regardless, the GeNode facilities produced adult clones which were fully matured and ready for deployment immediately upon leaving the vat. Clones were specialized for squad roles--lighter, slighter-build clones became biker scouts, for example. The clones were designed such that they invented personalities and memories once they "hatched." Each GeNode believed he was a recruit, with a life and past and family. Slight randomity in the clones' intrinsic appearance and hygenic/cosmetic habits, as well as the shuffling of multiple clone lines maintained the appearance of a more normal army. GeNodes are brainwashed, either physically or psychologically, to be nigh-incapable of betraying or deserting the Empire, or realizing that they are clones, even though, amazingly, they'll notice other GeNodes, even GeNodes of their line, are clones. They're programmed to be "too polite" to discuss cloning with GeNodes of their line.

However, the Marines always kept an eye out for exceptional volunteers from the Navy and Army to be trained at Carida and placed in the Marines. Even a few political prisioners as punishment were brainwashed and placed in a useless role such as garrison on Carida or some desolate customs checkpoint in Wild Space.

*Note: The Bantha Tracks article from the '70's depicts Kaminoan style-cloning as a source from the Stormtroopers, but oddly claims normal growth-cycles. I assume this predates the GeNodes.

You should check the common debates/subjects thread up top.

Oberleutnant · Post by **Oberleutnant** » 2004-02-02 03:02pm

Mandalorians, probably. My opinion is mostly based on the character Canderous Ordo and his excellent stories about his people and its history (KOTOR).