Do standard flight suits contain skin shields

Post by **The Yosemite Bear** » 2004-02-08 02:51am

ok, noted from the erratta

a rebel flight suit enables the pilot to survive in any enviornment including space for up to a day. An imperial flight suit can be lived in for up to a week.

considering that unlike the imperial counterpart the rebel flight suit has an exposed face, and only a tiny breathing mask the suit must contain a force field capable of sustaining an atmospheric pressure around the pilot, and conforming to a wide range of species.

can we say that skin tight force fields are that common in Star Wars?

Secondarily, the Asteriod scene, Han and Leia exited the falcon into what they though was vacume without having an airlock or wearing anything more then a breating mask and belt unit. Although they figured out it had an atmosphere, that means that they had to have some sort of protection, and the companionway ramp of the falcon had to have a force field generator that acted as an airlock.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2004-02-08 03:53am

The Yosemite Bear wrote:ok, noted from the erratta

a rebel flight suit enables the pilot to survive in any enviornment including space for up to a day. An imperial flight suit can be lived in for up to a week.

considering that unlike the imperial counterpart the rebel flight suit has an exposed face, and only a tiny breathing mask the suit must contain a force field capable of sustaining an atmospheric pressure around the pilot, and conforming to a wide range of species.

can we say that skin tight force fields are that common in Star Wars?

Secondarily, the Asteriod scene, Han and Leia exited the falcon into what they though was vacume without having an airlock or wearing anything more then a breating mask and belt unit. Although they figured out it had an atmosphere, that means that they had to have some sort of protection, and the companionway ramp of the falcon had to have a force field generator that acted as an airlock.

Most of the X-Wing novels only rate a pilots suit as able to keep you alive for a matter of minuites, a weak magcon field like those used in flight deck forcefields is used to keep a pocket of air near you. But you rapidly loose heat to space.

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2004-02-09 03:45am

Chris OFarrell wrote:Most of the X-Wing novels only rate a pilots suit as able to keep you alive for a matter of minuites, a weak magcon field like those used in flight deck forcefields is used to keep a pocket of air near you. But you rapidly loose heat to space.

Violation of thermodynamics, contrary to belief you don't have to worry about freezing in space, you have to worry about cooking.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-09 03:46am

That's because vacuum makes your blood boil, right?

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-02-09 03:56am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's because vacuum makes your blood boil, right?

No, you are in the magcon field, so you are under pressure.

Think. Our planet is in overall thermal equilibrium, with the atmosphere dampening out major changes either way. The world surface average temperature (averaging out the poles and the equator and the day and night halfs) IIRC is about 15 degrees Celcius.

Think about why a thermal control roll is required for Apollo.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-09 03:58am

I'm talking about in reality, you dip, specifically to what HDS said.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-02-09 04:02am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I'm talking about in reality, you dip, specifically to what HDS said.

He said that in CONTEXT of a SW-style magcon field, or you'd be out of air in about two minutes anyway, so it doesn't matter whether you cook or freeze.

Vaccuum drops the BP of a liquid to Melting Point, but Cooking involves adding heat. Water boiling due to a drop in pressure does not count IMHO.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-09 04:28am

And I was just checking if the reason WHY was what I thought it was. My question had nothing to do with the damn OT, so just back off.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-09 08:21am

A sealed flightsuit would have been better than complicated technobabble magcon fields in my opnion.

Kazuaki Shimazaki · Post by **Kazuaki Shimazaki** » 2004-02-09 08:55am

evilcat4000 wrote:A sealed flightsuit would have been better than complicated technobabble magcon fields in my opnion.

Yes, but apparently New Republic pilots don't care for the TIE pilot suit - restrains their movement or somesuch.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-10 09:25am

Kazuaki Shimazaki wrote: Yes, but apparently New Republic pilots don't care for the TIE pilot suit - restrains their movement or somesuch.

Maybe because the Rebels didn't have the lavish resources available to the Empire. Those suits look as if they were custom made.

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2004-02-10 01:32pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's because vacuum makes your blood boil, right?

Not quite. It's because vacuum is a perfect insulator. No material to induce convection in to carry heat away from you, so the only way you gain or lose it is through blackbody radiation. Good if you're in the shade, very, very, very bad if you're in direct sunlight.

The blood boiling bit comes from the fact that the boiling point of a liquid tends to drop as pressure goes down.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-02-10 03:08pm

The Yosemite Bear wrote:Secondarily, the Asteriod scene, Han and Leia exited the falcon into what they though was vacume without having an airlock or wearing anything more then a breating mask and belt unit. Although they figured out it had an atmosphere, that means that they had to have some sort of protection, and the companionway ramp of the falcon had to have a force field generator that acted as an airlock.

It's possible that the Falcon can extend its shields and atmosphere out around itself to allow for repairs in situations like this. Since the Falcon is the biggest piece of equipment there, I think it's most likely to be the culprit, rather than the tiny breathmasks or anything else.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-11 07:30am

That is the most logical explaination, however, Han noticing that there's sure is a lot of moisture in here kinda damages it.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-02-12 12:04am

PainRack wrote:That is the most logical explaination, however, Han noticing that there's sure is a lot of moisture in here kinda damages it.

No, it fits fine. The reason there was so much moisture was that they happened to be in the belly of the beast. Han expected to be in exposed space, where he likely wouldn't encounter that much moisture, so that's why he commented on it.
The atmosphere projected from the Falcon doesn't preclude the existance of the moisture within the beast in the first place.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-12 01:04am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's because vacuum makes your blood boil, right?

Its because direct sunlight transfers a lot of heat to you in a big hurry and you have no means to bleed it off except through black body radiation. Of course, if you eject in deep space or on a planet's night side, that's not an immediate problem.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-12 01:09am

Um, yeah, Terwynn already covered that, but thanks anyway, I guess...

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-12 01:14am

Just so, but... Oh never mind. *Shuts up*

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-12 01:19am

See, that's why you should finish reading the damn threads.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-12 01:41am

Did read it. Uhhh... Post count +1! Wait, no, 2!

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-12 01:52am

It's possible that the Falcon can extend its shields and atmosphere out around itself to allow for repairs in situations like this. Since the Falcon is the biggest piece of equipment there, I think it's most likely to be the culprit, rather than the tiny breathmasks or anything else.

Deflector shields are supposed to be hull hugging not bubble configuration.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-02-12 01:54am

Shield configuration is variable and subject to alteration.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-02-12 02:41am

Rogue 9 wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:That's because vacuum makes your blood boil, right?
Its because direct sunlight transfers a lot of heat to you in a big hurry and you have no means to bleed it off except through black body radiation. Of course, if you eject in deep space or on a planet's night side, that's not an immediate problem.

Well is you have sealed your airway and all passages connected to air passages in your body. You can forstall your blood boiling for several hours. for full protection requires a full suit. Like has been said before, the real worry is the fact that you cook on one side and freeze on the other. most of the bulk of a spacesuit is to regulate your temperature

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2004-02-13 01:05am

evilcat4000 wrote:
It's possible that the Falcon can extend its shields and atmosphere out around itself to allow for repairs in situations like this. Since the Falcon is the biggest piece of equipment there, I think it's most likely to be the culprit, rather than the tiny breathmasks or anything else.
Deflector shields are supposed to be hull hugging not bubble configuration.

See the Millennium Falcon being pursued by TIE fighters after the evacuation from Hoth VI. Several laser blasts are dispersed by the Falcon's shields several meters away from the hull.
Also see the Gungan theater shield at the Battle of Naboo, or the Alliance's theater shield at Hoth VI.
Or the droideka shielding in The Phantom Menace.
Also note the AOTCICS mentioning that the shape of a deflector shield alters aerodynamic performance.

Shield shape can obviously be varied, encompassing hull-hugging shapes as well as bubble configurations.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-02-13 09:51am

Robert Treder wrote: No, it fits fine. The reason there was so much moisture was that they happened to be in the belly of the beast. Han expected to be in exposed space, where he likely wouldn't encounter that much moisture, so that's why he commented on it.
The atmosphere projected from the Falcon doesn't preclude the existance of the moisture within the beast in the first place.

Yes, but the presence of moisture, especially the kind that Han can visually feel means that some kind of atmosphere should exist in the belly beast in the first place.

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