The Three Home One's

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-06 08:30pm

Well the Independence is described as specializing in communications, and may make a superior flagship for the Alliance Supreme Commander when the Alliance Fleet is spread throughout the galaxy.

Home One is the most heavily armed and armored ship in the Alliance fleet, so it stands to reason it'd be the best choice for Ackbar's flag during the Battle of Endor.

The Defiance is, similarly to Home One, is more specialized for combat against capital starships. Perhaps before the transference to Independence, Ackbar was more concerned about combat with Imperial destroyers and cruisers, and fewer Mon Calamari starliners had been refitted. With a greater number of MC80 variants equipped by the later Rebellion, Ackbar could better supervise Alliance operations from the communications-specialized Independence with sufficient Calamarian cruisers to not fear Imperial ambush as severely. As for why when combat-effectiveness was more of premium before sufficient star cruisers had been refitted, Ackbar flew his flag aboard Defiance over Home One--Home One herself was probably a later addition to the Alliance fleet.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-18 09:55pm

McC wrote:*snip*

McC (or Mods?), Saxton is very sensitive about people poaching and presumably leaching his site bandwidth.

I'd edit your images to links.

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-19 01:57am

Well the Independence is described as specializing in communications, and may make a superior flagship for the Alliance Supreme Commander when the Alliance Fleet is spread throughout the galaxy.

Home One is the most heavily armed and armored ship in the Alliance fleet, so it stands to reason it'd be the best choice for Ackbar's flag during the Battle of Endor.

It is possible that the Indpendence was a command ship and the Home One was a carrier/battleship since it was designed for combat.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2004-02-19 09:30am

evilcat4000 wrote:
Well the Independence is described as specializing in communications, and may make a superior flagship for the Alliance Supreme Commander when the Alliance Fleet is spread throughout the galaxy.

Home One is the most heavily armed and armored ship in the Alliance fleet, so it stands to reason it'd be the best choice for Ackbar's flag during the Battle of Endor.
It is possible that the Indpendence was a command ship and the Home One was a carrier/battleship since it was designed for combat.

Given that Admiral Ackbar raised his falg on the Definance thus desingnating it the flagship, it most certainly is the Command ship.

Dorsk 81 · Post by **Dorsk 81** » 2004-02-19 10:12am

phongn wrote:Good work. A third Home One went boom at Endor.

Would that be the one that the DS destroyed? (*Thinks* Without watching RotJ again I can't remember if it was the same model)
Or was it destoryed by the ISDs in the battle?

Sarevok · Post by **Sarevok** » 2004-02-19 10:31am

Do we know what class of ship the Home One is ? According to the Galactic Empire databank site the Home One is a MC 120. But I doubt it since they put the ships length at only 1800 meters.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-02-19 11:22am

Dorsk 81 wrote:
phongn wrote:Good work. A third Home One went boom at Endor.
Would that be the one that the DS destroyed? (*Thinks* Without watching RotJ again I can't remember if it was the same model)
Or was it destoryed by the ISDs in the battle?

Destroyed by the DS2 -- the second ship that went boom on screen.

Dorsk 81 · Post by **Dorsk 81** » 2004-02-19 11:35am

phongn wrote:
Dorsk 81 wrote:
phongn wrote:Good work. A third Home One went boom at Endor.
Would that be the one that the DS destroyed? (*Thinks* Without watching RotJ again I can't remember if it was the same model)
Or was it destoryed by the ISDs in the battle?
Destroyed by the DS2 -- the second ship that went boom on screen.

Thought so. That means it's quite easy to see if there were 3 Home Ones, it would just be a case of looking to see if there are still 2 when the rebel fleet are engaging the SDs.

phongn · Post by **phongn** » 2004-02-19 11:43am

Dorsk 81 wrote:Thought so. That means it's quite easy to see if there were 3 Home Ones, it would just be a case of looking to see if there are still 2 when the rebel fleet are engaging the SDs.

It appears so in one scene where you see Ackbar ordering the fleet to engage HIMS Executor; you can see another H1 barely coming into view from the side, and then the scene of the Executor's crash you can see that same ship.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-02-19 12:57pm

starwars.com wrote:One of the earliest Mon Cal vessels to be converted for war duty is the MC80 cruiser. Almost cylindrical in shape, the MC80 includes such ships as Admiral Ackbar's Home One in its ranks. Though the organic-looking blister pods that line its surface seem distributed in a haphazard pattern, Mon Calamari sensibility and aesthetics have efficiently placed sensor arrays, recessed weapon batteries and shield generators within these protrusions.

Now, we know that sw.com has errors in it. But here's a novel(?) thought - could it be possible that "MC80" is a type rather than a class? Like "Star Destroyer" includes Victory, Imperator, Allegiance and Eclipse to name a few. In such a way that "MC80" means all the cylindric, wingless types, and includes the ~1200 m ship as well as the ~4 km Home Ones? I think this idea has some merit, although I'm not sure if it holds up. It would mean that several different ship classes belong to each "MCxx" type. It might make some sense, given that all Mon Cal cruisers are unique in design. So perhaps they have a different system which labels similar designs the as the same, disregarding size and some, in the eyes of the Mon Calamari, relatively minor differences.

The MC80a would in this way be a subtype of MC80, while the MC90, although looking somwhat similar to some MC80's is labelled differently because of very different internal design.

Dorsk 81 · Post by **Dorsk 81** » 2004-02-19 02:47pm

phongn wrote:
Dorsk 81 wrote:Thought so. That means it's quite easy to see if there were 3 Home Ones, it would just be a case of looking to see if there are still 2 when the rebel fleet are engaging the SDs.
It appears so in one scene where you see Ackbar ordering the fleet to engage HIMS Executor; you can see another H1 barely coming into view from the side, and then the scene of the Executor's crash you can see that same ship.

Well, there are DEFINATELY 2 atleat, in the bit just before Wedge says "Cut to the left I'll take the leader" you can see one through his view port and then a second.
*Keeps watching RotJ*
The ship the DS destorys is the "winged" I think...
*Keeps watching* (sorry, it's be a while)
The second blast appears to destroy a "Blockaderunner".
*Resumes watching*
Yes, there are indeed 2 Home Ones after one is destroyed by the DS, one is nearly infront of the SSD just before it is destroyed by the A-Wing that accidently crashes into the brideg, and after the is one shown in the background whic has to be a different one, judging by the distance and look!
Well, it looks as if there were 3 Home One type vessels at the battle of Endor.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-02-19 02:53pm

What I wanna know is why'd they waste a superlaser blast on a Corellian Corvette.

Dorsk 81 · Post by **Dorsk 81** » 2004-02-19 03:12pm

Rogue 9 wrote:What I wanna know is why'd they waste a superlaser blast on a Corellian Corvette.

If you see the shot where, what I think is a Corvette (sorry I forgot its name) is shot, it is a VERY quick shot.
I had to pause and rewind and play it several time before I came to my conclusion, when the OT DVDs are released, maybe there'll be a deffinate ID on the vessel destroyed in the second blast.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-19 05:54pm

I think its generally better to assume stuff like Executor-class Star Destroyer and Eclipse-class Super Star Destroyer and the Home One as an MC80 are all mistakes.

The authors of these historical sources have clearly failed to differentiate between the meaning of fleet roles or designations. If you accept it than it basically voids the meaning of the terms entirely--and in the interests of useful explanation, that's rather detrimental.

nightmare · Post by **nightmare** » 2004-02-19 10:44pm

Actually I agree with you there, but if we simply write them over as mistakes there's nothing left, next to everything is mislabeled.

My idea is an in-universe explanation - to assume that SW ships are labeled according to at least three completely different systems - Imperial, Mon Cal and civilian.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-02-20 01:11pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:McC (or Mods?), Saxton is very sensitive about people poaching and presumably leaching his site bandwidth.

I'd edit your images to links.

Eep! Sorry.

Should've saved them over to my server first. Thanks for fixing this.

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-02-20 01:22pm

Rogue 9 wrote:If you see the shot where, what I think is a Corvette (sorry I forgot its name) is shot, it is a VERY quick shot.
I had to pause and rewind and play it several time before I came to my conclusion, when the OT DVDs are released, maybe there'll be a deffinate ID on the vessel destroyed in the second blast.

The second ship destroyed is a Home One-syle Mon Cal starship (in terms of form if not dimension) beyond any shadow of a doubt. I just re-watched it frame-by-frame to ensure I wasn't totally wrong in my viewing of the movie for the past 17 years

The first ship destroyed is, as is fairly well established, the winged-model Mon Cal starship Liberty. Both ships destroyed by the SL were Mon Cal cruisers. Destroying a corvette would hardly be a demoralizing strike, whereas annihilating the Alliance's most potent starships in a single strike would take a lot of spirit out of them (that's subjective, obviously, but I think it fits).

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-02-21 01:15pm

McC wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:McC (or Mods?), Saxton is very sensitive about people poaching and presumably leaching his site bandwidth.

I'd edit your images to links.
Eep! Sorry. Should've saved them over to my server first. Thanks for fixing this.

No, that's definitely what he doesn't want.

I'm iffy on the leeching bandwidth thing, but he really, really doesn't want you to use his images on your webspace, and I know that for sure. Check out his copyright section.

YT300000 · Post by **YT300000** » 2004-02-21 09:25pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
McC wrote:
Illuminatus Primus wrote:McC (or Mods?), Saxton is very sensitive about people poaching and presumably leaching his site bandwidth.

I'd edit your images to links.
Eep! Sorry. Should've saved them over to my server first. Thanks for fixing this.
No, that's definitely what he doesn't want.

I'm iffy on the leeching bandwidth thing, but he really, really doesn't want you to use his images on your webspace, and I know that for sure. Check out his copyright section.

For you lazy ones, that's here

McC · Post by **McC** » 2004-02-21 11:12pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:No, that's definitely what he doesn't want.

I'm iffy on the leeching bandwidth thing, but he really, really doesn't want you to use his images on your webspace, and I know that for sure. Check out his copyright section.

I'm used to thinking about this from a CG artist's standpoint. That is, if you're going to show something of someone else's (or include someone else's thing in your work), it's okay so long as you clearly give them credit (which I did). But in this case, you're right -- either instance is sorta the wrong thing to do and linking is best. My apologies once again.