Boba Fett orgins

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-03-24 04:37am

I don't have the relevent Boba Fett novels with me anymore, so, I'm asking for help.

Can anyone provide me with the various details and variants of Boba Fett orgins prior to AOTC?

IIRC, they were arranged somewhat along

1. He was an outcast from some system, where he was a policeman/someone in authority for killing someone who deserved to be killed.

2. He was an Mandalorian warrior, the last of their kind who once fought against the Jedi, (Clone Wars or some unknown conflict)

3. He got blamed for a murder he didn't do, and became a bounty hunter.

Names like the system, his status would be extremely welcome. Thank you all.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-24 04:44am

Well, the post AotC environment managed to combine each of those into a single origin that makes sense.

I only know of two old origins for Fett:

1. Real name was Jaster Mareel, Journeyman Protector on Concord Dawn. Was stripped of his posessions and exiled after murdering his superior, who deserved it.

2. Former Stormtrooper that quit his military service for whatever reason.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-03-24 11:43am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Well, the post AotC environment managed to combine each of those into a single origin that makes sense.

I only know of two old origins for Fett:

1. Real name was Jaster Mareel, Journeyman Protector on Concord Dawn. Was stripped of his posessions and exiled after murdering his superior, who deserved it.

2. Former Stormtrooper that quit his military service for whatever reason.

This is another example of how the prequels make EU-origins difficult; another is the AOTC Death Star twist and how Timothy Zahn thought the Clone Wars took place 50 years before ANH...

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-24 01:42pm

Yeah, but in the case of Boba Fett, the EU then later revised his early life and background so that they fit with the newer films: Jango was an orphen that Jaster Mareel, a Journeyman Protector on Concord Dawn and the leader of the Mandalore Warriors, took into his care until he was murded by a splinter Mandalore faction. Later, Boba would use Mareel's armour as his own.

Problem solved.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2004-03-24 03:25pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Yeah, but in the case of Boba Fett, the EU then later revised his early life and background so that they fit with the newer films: Jango was an orphen that Jaster Mareel, a Journeyman Protector on Concord Dawn and the leader of the Mandalore Warriors, took into his care until he was murded by a splinter Mandalore faction. Later, Boba would use Mareel's armour as his own.

Problem solved.

Ah. In the words of Ian Malcolm, "I did not know that."

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2004-03-24 04:11pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:Yeah, but in the case of Boba Fett, the EU then later revised his early life and background so that they fit with the newer films: Jango was an orphen that Jaster Mareel, a Journeyman Protector on Concord Dawn and the leader of the Mandalore Warriors, took into his care until he was murded by a splinter Mandalore faction. Later, Boba would use Mareel's armour as his own.

Problem solved.

Are you sure it was Mareel's armour Boba would use as his own? I just thought he only used Mareel's name as an alias to hide his past, at least if you go by the comic you can unlock in the game Bount Hunter the fight that Mareel was killed in his was very badly damaged.

Just wondering because I always thought Boba used Jango's armour with some updates and a new paint job.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-24 05:08pm

Well, the movie section of his OS Databank entry phrases it to suggest that they are two seperate sets ("Boba Fett's armor, like his father's, is a battered weapon-covered spacesuit equipped with a rocketpack.")

Trying to access his EU section to read it again, but the site's acting up on me, so I'll try again in a bit and then check Jango's sections.

EDIT: Back up and checked. Nothing anywhere that suggests they're the same suit.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2004-03-24 06:14pm

Also don't forget that Jango's outfit has much more extensive protection; it's got more plate, not just torse, shoulder, wrists and head. It's not nearly as beat up as Boba's. Of course, there's 20+ years for that armor to get beaten up... but here's my take on this particular issue:

Jango Fett was (as per EU) a very good if not precisely kicass warrior, with the Mandalorian forces led by Jaster Mereel. He would've probably had access to their armory, and thus he would've been able to assemble a full suit of armor without much trouble. He was fighting other Mandalorians (in the comics that explained his origins, IIRC) and so he would've wanted extra protection, because they were without a doubt just as good as he was.

Boba Fett, on the other hand, is living in a much less fierce society that has been subjugated forcefully by the Empire. He has his father's skills, plus any new techniques/weapons developed during the Clone Wars. He is confident that he can overwhelm almost any opponent (after all, this IS the guy who escaped the Sarlaac!). Therefore, he probably decided that in the interests of better manuverability and speed, he could drop parts of the Mandalorian armor (esp. the leg armor).

The thing is, Jango's armor was probably bonded upon the jumpsuit for better security-- he wouldn't have wanted the possiblity of it falling off during a fight, after all. So Boba likely took/found a spare suit of armor... which could be that of Mereel, enshrined within Slave I. After all, Mereel was the young Jango's father figure; it's not unreasonable to expect that he could've been considered Mereel's heir and therefore entitled to the armor.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2004-03-24 06:54pm

One quick question: Are the Mandalorians human or humanoid?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-24 07:05pm

Human, but I don't know if the Mandalore Warriors accepted aliens into their ranks or not.

Wild Karrde · Post by **Wild Karrde** » 2004-03-24 10:17pm

Lol. I forgot the possiblity of multiple armour for each Mandalorian warrior. problem solved.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-03-25 04:46pm

Thanks guys. I was trying to recheck whether the old EU stuff meshed up to the new orgins after AOTC and the sw databank.

It shouldn't be too diffcult to retcon everything, especially if we consider the engimatic nature of Boba Fett.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-25 05:04pm

No it shouldn't, especially considering that Lucasfilm has already done it for us.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-03-26 03:17am

JME2 wrote:
This is another example of how the prequels make EU-origins difficult; another is the AOTC Death Star twist and how Timothy Zahn thought the Clone Wars took place 50 years before ANH...

Its possible that history dates the 'Clone War' from when Palpy puts in the order for the clones or perhaps when Palpatine establishes the Sepertists.

Its still not 50 years but it does push it back more than 20.

Rogue 9 · Post by **Rogue 9** » 2004-03-26 04:17am

How the hell did Obi-Wan get so old in less than 20 years?

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-03-26 04:22am

Rogue 9 wrote:How the hell did Obi-Wan get so old in less than 20 years?

Well, IIRC, he was in his late 20's in TPM if not early 30's so that puts him around 40 in AotC and 60-ish in ANH.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-26 04:24am

Living as a hermit in the desert for 20 years will do that to you.

Alec Guinness was 62 when ANH was filmed, and Kenobi would have been roughly 55 by then, so it's not so unlikely.

As for the whole Clone Wars thing, I just accept that Zahn's datings are now wrong and overridden by newer, higher ranking evidence.

PainRack · Post by **PainRack** » 2004-03-26 06:26am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:As for the whole Clone Wars thing, I just accept that Zahn's datings are now wrong and overridden by newer, higher ranking evidence.

Or used a different dating system than the one used in the movies.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-26 06:48am

That doesn't make any sense. Why would the Empire change the thousand years old Standard dating system to record pre-Imperial dates?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2004-03-26 03:29pm

Most of Zahn's dates aren't wrong.

They say in TTT that a Dark Jedi insurrection was 30-35 years ago.

Well The Thrawn Trilogy is five years after ROTJ, which is four years after ANH, which is 22 years after AOTC.

Five plus four plus twenty-two, gives you thirty-one. There's a year or so gap after AOTC for many of the events in TTT to take place, without breaking the timeline.

Also, The Essential Chronology offers that the Empire intentionally destroyed and altered records. If you've ever read 1984...well, one can understand how details of a war can be....malreported?

Post by **Kuja** » 2004-03-27 01:54am

Illuminatus Primus wrote: Also, The Essential Chronology offers that the Empire intentionally destroyed and altered records. If you've ever read 1984...well, one can understand how details of a war can be....malreported?

doubleplusgoodrep, comrade.