May The Force Be With You

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2004-03-07 11:49pm

Today i watched again SW ANH on tv and i started thinking,if the Jedi were slaughtered by the Empire at the time of episode 3 then why did they kept saying "May the force be with you" 20 years after,was it some kind of tradition?

Mlenk · Post by **Mlenk** » 2004-03-07 11:53pm

I don't know... Old habits die hard?

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-08 12:02am

Montcalm wrote:Today i watched again SW ANH on tv and i started thinking,if the Jedi were slaughtered by the Empire at the time of episode 3 then why did they kept saying "May the force be with you" 20 years after,was it some kind of tradition?

I recall only two characters (not Obi-wan) who made that blessing - Han Solo and General Dodonna. Han was saying it to Luke just because (stirrings of conscience), while Dodonna was probably old enough to know who and what the Jedi were and what they were about. In any case it's a blessing, meant to bolster people's faith in themselves and their cause.

And also the Empire's efforts to eradicate the Jedi, while successful, weren't completely thorough - obviously a lot of influences survived, as did some practitioners.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-08 12:03am

It stuck with the Rebellion.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-08 12:13am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:It stuck with the Rebellion.

Not surprisingly, seeings they had a Jedi Knight as one of their most accomplished and experienced combat veterans, as well as other Force Sensitives.

Knife · Post by **Knife** » 2004-03-08 01:21am

Meh, the rebellion was a movment to topple the Empire and restore the goverment to the glory of the Old Republic. Hence, its not surprising that they would use and embrace tid bits of the Old Republic including slogans.

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-03-08 01:28am

Stofsk wrote: I recall only two characters (not Obi-wan) who made that blessing - Han Solo and General Dodonna. Han was saying it to Luke just because (stirrings of conscience), while Dodonna was probably old enough to know who and what the Jedi were and what they were about. In any case it's a blessing, meant to bolster people's faith in themselves and their cause.

Admiral Ackbar says "May the force be with us" immediately prior to the engagement at Endor.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-08 01:33am

Howedar wrote:
Stofsk wrote: I recall only two characters (not Obi-wan) who made that blessing - Han Solo and General Dodonna. Han was saying it to Luke just because (stirrings of conscience), while Dodonna was probably old enough to know who and what the Jedi were and what they were about. In any case it's a blessing, meant to bolster people's faith in themselves and their cause.
Admiral Ackbar says "May the force be with us" immediately prior to the engagement at Endor.

Yeah I know. Montcalm said "I recently watched ANH" and that was the source I was basing my musings on. By the time of Endor Luke was obviously walking around like a Jedi, which makes Ackbar's blessing in perspective considering Luke, at that time, had been a hero of the Rebellion as well as forming Rogue Squad.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-03-08 01:40am

The May the Force Be With you is obvoiusly a Jedi blessing. It was used by the Rebellion possibly as a symbol of what they are fighting for as tey are fightingto throw a sith lord out of ruling the galaxy. They are fighting with hopes of returning the Jedi as protectors of the universe. I note that Leia's first move as soon as she sees that war is unavoidable is to try and bring Obi_Wan out of retirement. It Is OBVIOUSE she knew Obi-Wan was on Tatooine or she would not have gone there! So we know at least Ball Organa knew Obi-Wan was still alive and where he was hiding. Is it possible he had had some kind of with Obi-Wan over the years?

CaptainChewbacca · Post by **CaptainChewbacca** » 2004-03-08 01:57am

The same reason why atheists say "bless you" when someone sneezes. Its a cultural habit that's been around too long to go away easily.

DPDarkPrimus · Post by **DPDarkPrimus** » 2004-03-08 02:10am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:The same reason why atheists say "bless you" when someone sneezes.

Actually, I stopped doing that.

How? Well, I went to Japan. Nobody there says anything when you sneeze, except maybe offer you a Kleenex.

Stofsk · Post by **Stofsk** » 2004-03-08 02:13am

CaptainChewbacca wrote:The same reason why atheists say "bless you" when someone sneezes. Its a cultural habit that's been around too long to go away easily.

Actually I don't say that at all, and while I don't class myself as a true atheist I also don't class myself as a christian. The reason why I don't say it is because I stopped and thought about what it actually means, and realised it's mostly absurd. So I don't say "bless you!" when someone sneeses cause it doesn't make much sense to me.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2004-03-08 02:39am

Lucas actually based "may the Force be with you" on the old Christian phrase "may the Lord be with you and with your spirit."

When it first appeared in the rough draft for SW, it was "may the force of others be with you."

Galvatron · Post by **Galvatron** » 2004-03-08 03:34am

Is belief in the Force tied to the existence of the Jedi? Just because only certain people (Jedi, Sith, etc.) can use the Force doesn't mean that widespread belief in it would suddenly stop.

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2004-03-08 03:52am

Galvatron wrote:Is belief in the Force tied to the existence of the Jedi? Just because only certain people (Jedi, Sith, etc.) can use the Force doesn't mean that widespread belief in it would suddenly stop.

Other groups have used the force, not just Jedi and Sith.

As for widespread belief, I would say it isn't tied to it. Yet. In a long ass time with no Force users, it may die out to legend.

However, at the time of ANH, you still have people that have or potentially could have seen Jedi in action, so even with no Jedi, they would believe.

Solauren · Post by **Solauren** » 2004-03-08 08:00am

Actually, several star wars source books state the Rebellion started using "may the force be with you" as a response to Darth Vader and the Emperor's force abilities. The Emperor's force powers were suspected even before 'A New Hope"
(reference for the Emperor's force powers being a rebel belief: 'The Farlander files')

Using the qoute 'May the Force be with you', was a way of saying like the Jedi of old, they were going to fight and defeat evil.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2004-03-09 05:54pm

It was probably a saying that was widespread in the time of the Old Republic. Personally, when I realized how little time there was between ANH and the rise of the Empire, I was surprised that somebody as well travelled as Han believed that the Force was just some old religion. It was,I thought, just an old saying that Palpy and Vader lacked either the ability or the drive to supress.

Isolder74 · Post by **Isolder74** » 2004-03-09 06:00pm

Trogdor wrote:It was probably a saying that was widespread in the time of the Old Republic. Personally, when I realized how little time there was between ANH and the rise of the Empire, I was surprised that somebody as well travelled as Han believed that the Force was just some old religion. It was,I thought, just an old saying that Palpy and Vader lacked either the ability or the drive to supress.

Han used to be an Imperial officer remember. Their indoctrination may have affected him more then he might actually admit!

Tychu · Post by **Tychu** » 2004-03-28 01:24am

he stole my response that i had lined up for this subject. In real life "may the force be with you" is Lucas saying "May the lord be with you" same syllables same amount of words. In the SW galaxy most of the Rebel Alliance high ranking officers were old enough to see the Jedi in their reign just before their fall and to think what Han is like late 20's or early 30's during the time of ANH? Han was only 10ish at the time of Episode 3

Howedar · Post by **Howedar** » 2004-03-28 05:00am

You're three weeks late.

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