The Clone Wars Season 5 - Spoilers!

[Flagg]

When I said "Disney" I was pretty much saying "Lucasfilm as owned by Disney". But it's a point that should be reiterated.

[Havok]

Yeah but when everyone else says it they mean fucking Disney, like Disney walked in and fired everyone and replaced them with their own employees.

[Stark]

Disney Jackboot Police ruining my star wars!

[Darksider]

Whoa, where is this coming from? I haven't seen them coming out and saying "lol nope EU never happened". You could possibly infer it with TCW's track record of ignoring it in favor of telling their own story, and it's possible Ep7 will do something that basically kills the post-RotJ EU in one stroke (hello there, Anakin Skywalker, Jr!).

But until that happens I don't see a reason to be too worried about it.

The EU's canonicity doesn't really concern me anymore. I've come to terms with the fact that it probably won't be canon after the Sequel Trilogy starts coming out. What it looks like, to me at least, is that they aren't going to do anymore stories in the OT, PT, or Old Republic eras. Yes, during the lead up to Episode I, they shifted focus to material set in that time period, but they did not ignore the OT era completely. Star Wars Rogue Squadron was released for the N64 the holiday before the movie came out, and the NJO books started soon after the movie was released. My issue isn't that the powers that be at Lucasfilm are shifting focus to the Sequel trilogy, that's something I fully expected to happen. What I don't like is the fact that they're apparently cancelling everything set in the OT, PT, and Old Republic eras that isn't already done, or doesn't have an ironclad contract with someone that would cost money to break a la TOR. It just seems like after the final few eps of TCW come out, and the last few comics that Dark Horse is doing, there won't be anymore material set in those timeframes.

[Havok]

Yeah pretty much. I was saying they should have rebooted it after the PT came out as it made the characters just outright stupid, but the ST is going to force it into irrelevance canon wise.

And that's well and good. IMO the Clone Wars were badly handled from creation. I prefer my version and reasons better any way.
I mean you could have just as easily called the official version the Droid Wars and it would have actually made more sense and explained why bartenders hate droids.

[Flagg]

Disney Jackboot Police ruining my star wars!

If you've never been to Orlando you may not speak of the jackbooted Disney thugs. They run the whole fucking state. Well, them and the doctors.

[Darksider]

According to recent articles on Theforce.net, the "bonus content" that will be released for TCW is two story arcs. The Order 66 one teased at in the Filoni video, and the Senator Clovis arc that was cut from Season 5. Also, the TCW team is reportedly being laid off, so any definitive resolution to hanging plot threads will have to be in some other medium. To top it off, Lucasarts has enacted a hiring freeze and there are rumors of the company being shut down.

Relevent articles are here, here, and here.

[RogueIce]

I suppose whether or not LucasArts will stick around depends on how well they can sell Disney on letting them do some Ep7 games. But seeing as how that's not coming out for another couple years...who knows what they'd be doing in the meantime.

The information on TCW is extremely disappointing. No Bounty Hunter arc, no firm resolution on Ventriss and Ahsoka? Bah. That Clovis arc was already supposed to be season 5 anyway, so it looks like Disney only let them get one more arc out.

It's incredibly annoying, but if this is all true it looks like Disney is basically going all-in on the Sequel Trilogy and anything else SW related at LFL can get fucked.

[Flagg]

This is pretty much what I figured was going on. It's more profitable to just license the property out to other developers and publishers, anyway.

[Darksider]

I suppose whether or not LucasArts will stick around depends on how well they can sell Disney on letting them do some Ep7 games. But seeing as how that's not coming out for another couple years...who knows what they'd be doing in the meantime.

They had some decent looking stuff in the works. I'll admit they've been in a slump since Battlefront II, but they had some stuff in the pipe that I was genuinely looking forward to. 1313 looked awesome, and i'm just now finding out about this team-based shooter they were working on possibly as a prelude to Battlefront III. It's not like Lucasarts hasn't had a slump before. Remember 1999-2001 when it was basically all episode I games in every category they could force them in to? Eventually they got out of that rut and started putting out decent material, i'm convinced they could've done it again.

The information on TCW is extremely disappointing. No Bounty Hunter arc, no firm resolution on Ventriss and Ahsoka? Bah. That Clovis arc was already supposed to be season 5 anyway, so it looks like Disney only let them get one more arc out.

It's incredibly annoying, but if this is all true it looks like Disney is basically going all-in on the Sequel Trilogy and anything else SW related at LFL can get fucked.

This is my impression as well, which is dissapointing. I think if Lucas had waited maybe a year or two to make the Disney sale and start the Sequel Trilogy, the "old era" of SW could've gone out on a much higher note, with TCW getting enough time to wrap up all the dangling plot threads and tie closer in to EP III, and Lucasarts having time to put out one or two more good games. As it is now, it feels like there is just so much that's getting left unfinished with this current shift in priorities.

EDIT: Also, as others have previously said, are we sure this is Disney pushing this and not the new management at LucasFilm? For all we know it could be this Kathleen Kennedy chick that's giving the marching orders. I know Disney is a convenient scapegoat, god knows i've fallen in to that trap more than once, but I haven't heard anyone at LucasFilm, not even the recently canned TCW team, saying that it's Disney's fault.

[ray245]

EDIT: Also, as others have previously said, are we sure this is Disney pushing this and not the new management at LucasFilm? For all we know it could be this Kathleen Kennedy chick that's giving the marching orders. I know Disney is a convenient scapegoat, god knows i've fallen in to that trap more than once, but I haven't heard anyone at LucasFilm, not even the recently canned TCW team, saying that it's Disney's fault.

To be fair, given that Disney wants to integrate the franchise into Disney, they might have issue orders to Kennedy to shut down all other merchandising arm of lucasfilm.

Making Lucasfilm more dependent on Disney for commercial operations might make it more difficult for any other media corporation to buy the Star Wars franchise from them.

[Lord Insanity]

According to recent articles on Theforce.net, the "bonus content" that will be released for TCW is two story arcs. The Order 66 one teased at in the Filoni video, and the Senator Clovis arc that was cut from Season 5. Also, the TCW team is reportedly being laid off, so any definitive resolution to hanging plot threads will have to be in some other medium. To top it off, Lucasarts has enacted a hiring freeze and there are rumors of the company being shut down.

Relevent articles are here, here, and here.

Well that sucks. On the one hand where season 5 left off almost worked as a series finale, on the other I really wanted to know where the Darth Maul sub-plot was going. The only good thing I see right now is that makes the last portion of the Tartakovsky Clone Wars animated series still line up right before Episode III. Unless the remaining story arcs contradict it the entire The Clone Wars series takes place in the middle of chapter 22 of the Tartakovsky Clone Wars series.

As far as the series contradicting the EU, I think people grossly underestimated how much of The Clone Wars series basic story outlines came from George Lucas himself. Whether you liked his basic take on it or not The Clone Wars was Lucas' version of events. I found his take on Mandalorians far better than Karen Travis' for sure. (that she quit over it was just icing on the cake)

[zman]

I suppose whether or not LucasArts will stick around depends on how well they can sell Disney on letting them do some Ep7 games. But seeing as how that's not coming out for another couple years...who knows what they'd be doing in the meantime.

They had some decent looking stuff in the works. I'll admit they've been in a slump since Battlefront II, but they had some stuff in the pipe that I was genuinely looking forward to. 1313 looked awesome, and i'm just now finding out about this team-based shooter they were working on possibly as a prelude to Battlefront III. It's not like Lucasarts hasn't had a slump before. Remember 1999-2001 when it was basically all episode I games in every category they could force them in to? Eventually they got out of that rut and started putting out decent material, i'm convinced they could've done it again.

The information on TCW is extremely disappointing. No Bounty Hunter arc, no firm resolution on Ventriss and Ahsoka? Bah. That Clovis arc was already supposed to be season 5 anyway, so it looks like Disney only let them get one more arc out.

It's incredibly annoying, but if this is all true it looks like Disney is basically going all-in on the Sequel Trilogy and anything else SW related at LFL can get fucked.

This is my impression as well, which is dissapointing. I think if Lucas had waited maybe a year or two to make the Disney sale and start the Sequel Trilogy, the "old era" of SW could've gone out on a much higher note, with TCW getting enough time to wrap up all the dangling plot threads and tie closer in to EP III, and Lucasarts having time to put out one or two more good games. As it is now, it feels like there is just so much that's getting left unfinished with this current shift in priorities.

EDIT: Also, as others have previously said, are we sure this is Disney pushing this and not the new management at LucasFilm? For all we know it could be this Kathleen Kennedy chick that's giving the marching orders. I know Disney is a convenient scapegoat, god knows i've fallen in to that trap more than once, but I haven't heard anyone at LucasFilm, not even the recently canned TCW team, saying that it's Disney's fault.

well remember Battlefront 1 and 2 weren't made by Lucasarts. The last good game made by Lucasarts was TFU and even that wasn't great.

It seems to me what Disney is doing is sort of consolidating everything and kind of removing Star Wars's presence from the world until EP 7 comes out.

Sort of starving people from Star Wars. Then when it comes out they hit everyone on all fronts. New video games, new tv series, and new movies.

[Arawn Fenn]

I found his take on Mandalorians far better than Karen Travis' for sure. (that she quit over it was just icing on the cake)

I second the motion.

[Lord Revan]

why I like the Lucas and KOTOR/TOr take on the mandos more then the Travis take, is that CW and TOR ones feel more like people (really badass people sure but still people) who had faults or could make mistakes, the travis mandos felt like plot devices in human form who only made mistakes if it was needed for the story and had no real flaws what so ever.

Ironically the flaws of both the "bad" and "good" guy mandos in CW make them more compelling and stronger characters, since there's something to overcome, by comparison Travis mando never seemed to have any realm problems to overcome during the story making them seem weaker (as characters) in the process.

[Rycon67]

My dissatisfaction with Bariss turning traitor is only the latest symptom of a problem i've always had with the series. There are now essentially two versions of the Clone Wars. There's the version shown in various books, comics, and games that were made to keep people interested in between Episode II and Episode III, and the version depicted in the T.V. series. During the first couple of seasons of TCW, I thought it would be a stretch to do, but the two versions might be reconciled.

I no longer think the two versions of the Clone Wars are reconcilable with each other. The series has shown too many major events, and done too many things differently for it to just take place in between the gaps in the original timeline. When the series is over, the word is going to come down from on high, and the previous version of the Clone Wars depicted in the E.U. will be retconned out of existence, and that's a shame, because I believe the original depiction of the clone wars was stronger overall. The T.V. series has had its moments to be sure, there have been some spectacular arcs, but overall the previous E.U. material was better. The Separatists felt like a genuine threat to the Republic, the villains were more intimidating and anyone who's survival wasn't contractually obligated by Episode III was in danger from them. The portions that depicted the political state of the galaxy and showed the Republic's slow transformation into the empire were done with a sense of subtlety, and didn't just shove political allegory down the viewer's throat like the show. All in all, it was the superior picture of the events of the Clone Wars, and i'm honestly kind of sad that it's all going to be erased.

Yes, because every single book written between AOTC and ROTS has been retconned

You're talking about a galaxy wide war waged over a period of three years.

In the case of Offee specifically in recent events, as mentioned, prior to the end of season 5, her character was last seen in season 2. Where was she and what was she doing during the time period of seasons 3 and 4, or the portions of season 5 prior to her appearance? Keep in mind also, the Medstar books, based on the old chronology of the Clone Wars, took place at the 24 month mark of the Clone Wars, 12 months prior to ROTS. Before that, we saw her in the novel "The Approaching Storm" which took place prior to AOTC, and nothing I've read or seen on TV since has retconned the events of that book. Between AOTC and the Medstar books, we have a two year gap where we know practically nothing about where Offee has been up to, save events in the Clone Wars tv show. And to be fair to the Medstar books, while she was a decent character, her role wasn't overly dominant in either of the two books.

At this point the only major retcon involving her character that I see is her being killed during the events of Order 66.

[Adam Reynolds]

Yes, because every single book written between AOTC and ROTS has been retconned

Actually it has, not yet out of existance, but it has been moved in the timeline. In The Essential Reader's Compainion(which is crap overall, not suprising given that it was written by Pablo Hildago, though the images from Chris Trevas as always are excellent and were the only redeeming element though I still wouldn't purchase it) it was stated that every source involving Anakin as a padawan took place in the first four weeks of the Clone Wars despite the fact that this requires fitting an absurd number of events into a four week period.

This is not to mention the explict contradictions such as the fate of Ventress or what has apparently happened with Bariss and Adi Gallia(who was now killed by Maul but originally killed by Grievous).

It is genuinely impossible to fit both the original and new stories together unless you eliminate some of them. Given that Lucas is involved in the more recent events, I would say that it is likely that those will take precedence despite the issues with them.

I would have to say that I agree with Darksider's comments regarding the original vs revised continuity. The key element is that the original continuity felt to me as if it was much closer to the feel of carrying over from AOTC to ROTS. The extremely cartoonish style of the Clone Wars presented in the series don't fit with the darker feel of the war we see in ROTS. This is not to mention a deeper flaw in that as we know the ending explicitly, while this was always a flaw with the prequels, in the earlier pre-ROTS continuity, there was a sense of drama in that it was building up for the movie. The series just feels like they are cashing in.

In the original continuity Anakin was a padawan for most of the war as the Council didn't trust him at all, an effect that is carried over into ROTS. Why would the Jedi Council give Anakin a padawan and then prevent his promotion to Master? It doesn't feel like this follows, if they didn't trust him to be a master why would they ever trust him with a padawan. In addition there are a dozen other little things like this that have been bothering me since season 1. One notable element is Obi-Wan vs Grievous that was a major issue in several epiosdes. Repeatedly in the series Obi-Wan and Grievous lock lightsabers and Grievous continually escapes. Why would the Jedi Council trust Obi-Wan to defeat Grievous if Grievous had repeatedly escaped him before?

In addition in the original Clone Wars movie, Anakin and Dooku encountering each other again so soon after AOTC didn't feel right. In fact Anakin and Dooku should have never encountered each other during the Clone Wars as it feels anti-climatic as we know there will never be a resolution. The dialog in ROTS seemed to imply that the only time they had fought was on Geonosis.

In addition to the logical flaws with regard to the series tying to the movies, there are the explicit contradictions with the novel. In the novel most of the above comments are explicitly stated. Obi-Wan has a discussion with Mace Windu before leaving for Utapau in which his was concerned about facing Grievous which is contradicted by the series. Anakin has a comment about C-3P0 being the only person to call him Master, which is contradicted by Ashoka. There are also similar comments about the Magnaguards as Obi-Wan and Anakin had never faced them before the Battle of Coruscant, thought that element was only in the novel and not implied by the movie. The ROTS novelization was probably the greatest Star Wars novel ever written, it is such a shame it see it torn apart as has been done with the current series.

Oh and regarding Bariss, in the original continuity she was a contemporary of Anakin. In the rather awful novel The Approaching Storm, taking place just before AOTC, she was partnered with Anakin as padawans and they were both promoted to Knight during the Clone Wars, she was even promoted sooner apparently based on the New Essential Chronology(the primary source of the original timeline).

And these are only continuity problems. This ignoring the other technical elements. The general failure to have consistent Force Powers. One one level we have the Mortis arc and on another we have Anakin, Obi-Wan and Dooku being captured by pirates. It also seems that the series original characters do much better against Jedi that the earlier EU characters. Bane for example often does better against Jedi characters than Grievous. Then of course there are the military elements that appear, which to be fair was always there in the EU but it seems worse here because we explicitly see it. The scale here is far too small for a galactic war. Why don't we ever see an engagement on the scale of Coruscant or Geonosis(besides the obvious RL issue of budget)? While they were limited in the earlier continuity there were some that were of reasonable scale such as Boz Pity which had 70 Seperatist warships, which to be fair is still too small, but is far more than we ever see in the current series.

This is even ignoring the other obvious issue of bringing back Maul and the accompanying Nightsisters Arc(which again fits the problem of inconsistent Force Powers) . If you really wanted to tell stories involving Maul tell them before he died. Shadow Hunter did a fairly good job with this giving him some decent characterization, bringing a character back from the dead is never a good means of storytelling(and to be fair was far worse in Dark Empire with Fett and Palpatine).

Though despite all of my complainig there were elements I enjoyed still and some of the visuals(always a strength of Star Wars and a weakness of the novels) were excellent. I just would have preferred more though to the writing and logical continuity with the movies as well as the exceptional ROTS novel. Ignoring some of the earlier EU doesn't bother me as much as there were many stupid elements there as well(Durge, the unkillable mercenary that is ultimately thrown into a black hole is a good example). For another example the novel Jedi Trial was rather poorly written as well with a number of technical problems in its depiction of SW tech.

[Lord Insanity]

In the original continuity Anakin was a padawan for most of the war as the Council didn't trust him at all, an effect that is carried over into ROTS. Why would the Jedi Council give Anakin a padawan and then prevent his promotion to Master? It doesn't feel like this follows, if they didn't trust him to be a master why would they ever trust him with a padawan. In addition there are a dozen other little things like this that have been bothering me since season 1. One notable element is Obi-Wan vs Grievous that was a major issue in several epiosdes. Repeatedly in the series Obi-Wan and Grievous lock lightsabers and Grievous continually escapes. Why would the Jedi Council trust Obi-Wan to defeat Grievous if Grievous had repeatedly escaped him before?

In the Clone Wars Movie Yoda flat out states that Anakin is ready to teach but learning to let go of his pupil (and attachments in general stated or implied throughout the series) is a skill he must master. He never learned that... so ROTS.

Obi-wan consistently beat Grievous while on the defensive forcing Grievous to retreat. In ROTS Obi-wan had the initiative.

As far as contradicting the Novels and the EU, well if you actually read and care about any of that I guess it kind of sucks. I would guess that most casual SW fans (the average movie-goer) probably don't care about any of that. I stopped reading SW novels after the first dozen or so, with the exception of the Thrawn Duology. That only reinforced to me that I wasn't missing anything.

[Adam Reynolds]

In the Clone Wars Movie Yoda flat out states that Anakin is ready to teach but learning to let go of his pupil (and attachments in general stated or implied throughout the series) is a skill he must master. He never learned that... so ROTS.

While one could construct a context in which it would make sense, it seems to contradict the relationship between the Jedi Council and Anakin that we see in ROTS, one of extreme hostility. We also see elements of this in AOTC in that he was willing to speak against the Council regarding Padme leaving the capital.

Obi-wan consistently beat Grievous while on the defensive forcing Grievous to retreat. In ROTS Obi-wan had the initiative.

But Grievous still keeps escaping, While that does fit with Mace Windu's comments about how Grievous will run and hide as he always does, it still doesn't make sense that they would absolutely trust that Obi-Wan would be successful this time considering how many times he as failed and Grievous has escaped. When someone has failed to do something five(that I remember) times it isn't generally intelligent to state that he will succeed this time. Obi-Wan had the initiative in the episode The Deserter as well, it didn't help him much.

As far as contradicting the Novels and the EU, well if you actually read and care about any of that I guess it kind of sucks. I would guess that most casual SW fans (the average movie-goer) probably don't care about any of that. I stopped reading SW novels after the first dozen or so, with the exception of the Thrawn Duology. That only reinforced to me that I wasn't missing anything.

This is true with the Clone Wars era novels with one exception, the novel Labyrinth of Evil, which I would say is almost certainly the best of all Star Wars novels in the EU(I would say it is even better than Zahn's novels). It does an excellent job setting up ROTS and bridging the gap from AOTC and explains many elements of the plot involving Sidious and the Jedi chasing him. In the novel this was why Grievious attacked Coruscant and abducted Palpatine, in order to distract the Jedi from finding Palpatine's identity as the second Sith Lord.

[Rycon67]

Yes, because every single book written between AOTC and ROTS has been retconned

Actually it has, not yet out of existance, but it has been moved in the timeline. In The Essential Reader's Compainion(which is crap overall, not suprising given that it was written by Pablo Hildago, though the images from Chris Trevas as always are excellent and were the only redeeming element though I still wouldn't purchase it) it was stated that every source involving Anakin as a padawan took place in the first four weeks of the Clone Wars despite the fact that this requires fitting an absurd number of events into a four week period.

This is not to mention the explict contradictions such as the fate of Ventress or what has apparently happened with Bariss and Adi Gallia(who was now killed by Maul but originally killed by Grievous).

It is genuinely impossible to fit both the original and new stories together unless you eliminate some of them. Given that Lucas is involved in the more recent events, I would say that it is likely that those will take precedence despite the issues with them.

I would have to say that I agree with Darksider's comments regarding the original vs revised continuity. The key element is that the original continuity felt to me as if it was much closer to the feel of carrying over from AOTC to ROTS. The extremely cartoonish style of the Clone Wars presented in the series don't fit with the darker feel of the war we see in ROTS. This is not to mention a deeper flaw in that as we know the ending explicitly, while this was always a flaw with the prequels, in the earlier pre-ROTS continuity, there was a sense of drama in that it was building up for the movie. The series just feels like they are cashing in.

In the original continuity Anakin was a padawan for most of the war as the Council didn't trust him at all, an effect that is carried over into ROTS. Why would the Jedi Council give Anakin a padawan and then prevent his promotion to Master? It doesn't feel like this follows, if they didn't trust him to be a master why would they ever trust him with a padawan. In addition there are a dozen other little things like this that have been bothering me since season 1. One notable element is Obi-Wan vs Grievous that was a major issue in several epiosdes. Repeatedly in the series Obi-Wan and Grievous lock lightsabers and Grievous continually escapes. Why would the Jedi Council trust Obi-Wan to defeat Grievous if Grievous had repeatedly escaped him before?

In addition in the original Clone Wars movie, Anakin and Dooku encountering each other again so soon after AOTC didn't feel right. In fact Anakin and Dooku should have never encountered each other during the Clone Wars as it feels anti-climatic as we know there will never be a resolution. The dialog in ROTS seemed to imply that the only time they had fought was on Geonosis.

In addition to the logical flaws with regard to the series tying to the movies, there are the explicit contradictions with the novel. In the novel most of the above comments are explicitly stated. Obi-Wan has a discussion with Mace Windu before leaving for Utapau in which his was concerned about facing Grievous which is contradicted by the series. Anakin has a comment about C-3P0 being the only person to call him Master, which is contradicted by Ashoka. There are also similar comments about the Magnaguards as Obi-Wan and Anakin had never faced them before the Battle of Coruscant, thought that element was only in the novel and not implied by the movie. The ROTS novelization was probably the greatest Star Wars novel ever written, it is such a shame it see it torn apart as has been done with the current series.

Oh and regarding Bariss, in the original continuity she was a contemporary of Anakin. In the rather awful novel The Approaching Storm, taking place just before AOTC, she was partnered with Anakin as padawans and they were both promoted to Knight during the Clone Wars, she was even promoted sooner apparently based on the New Essential Chronology(the primary source of the original timeline).

And these are only continuity problems. This ignoring the other technical elements. The general failure to have consistent Force Powers. One one level we have the Mortis arc and on another we have Anakin, Obi-Wan and Dooku being captured by pirates. It also seems that the series original characters do much better against Jedi that the earlier EU characters. Bane for example often does better against Jedi characters than Grievous. Then of course there are the military elements that appear, which to be fair was always there in the EU but it seems worse here because we explicitly see it. The scale here is far too small for a galactic war. Why don't we ever see an engagement on the scale of Coruscant or Geonosis(besides the obvious RL issue of budget)? While they were limited in the earlier continuity there were some that were of reasonable scale such as Boz Pity which had 70 Seperatist warships, which to be fair is still too small, but is far more than we ever see in the current series.

This is even ignoring the other obvious issue of bringing back Maul and the accompanying Nightsisters Arc(which again fits the problem of inconsistent Force Powers) . If you really wanted to tell stories involving Maul tell them before he died. Shadow Hunter did a fairly good job with this giving him some decent characterization, bringing a character back from the dead is never a good means of storytelling(and to be fair was far worse in Dark Empire with Fett and Palpatine).

Though despite all of my complainig there were elements I enjoyed still and some of the visuals(always a strength of Star Wars and a weakness of the novels) were excellent. I just would have preferred more though to the writing and logical continuity with the movies as well as the exceptional ROTS novel. Ignoring some of the earlier EU doesn't bother me as much as there were many stupid elements there as well(Durge, the unkillable mercenary that is ultimately thrown into a black hole is a good example). For another example the novel Jedi Trial was rather poorly written as well with a number of technical problems in its depiction of SW tech.

I've actually not watched a lot of TCW tv show, and only know some basics. Likewise, after reading the initial Clone Wars novels that came out between the release of AOTC and ROTS, along with the first two Republic Commando novels, I've not delved much into the EU.

That being said, I still don't see TCW overriding every single thing. Hell, aside from Labyrinth of Evil and the aforementioned novel "Jedi Trial" the original Clone Wars novels released several years back have little to no interaction or mention of the main characters.

For example, how exactly as say the novel Shatterpoint been retconned away? How has the Medstar Duology been wiped away? I get where your coming from on some issues, ie "Jedi Trial", and TBH I think that book sucks, but on some of the others where the main cast of the prequels bairly even rate passing mentions, I've not seen anything one way or another that backs you up.

[Thanas]

For example, how exactly as say the novel Shatterpoint been retconned away? How has the Medstar Duology been wiped away? I get where your coming from on some issues, ie "Jedi Trial", and TBH I think that book sucks, but on some of the others where the main cast of the prequels bairly even rate passing mentions, I've not seen anything one way or another that backs you up.

Shatterpoint is a small part of the things released. The whole ventress arc in the show invalidates nearly the entire Republic comics. Even further, the way some characters behave (Barriss Offee for example) is irreconcilable with some parts, like, say, the Medstar Duology and the comics.

[Rycon67]

For example, how exactly as say the novel Shatterpoint been retconned away? How has the Medstar Duology been wiped away? I get where your coming from on some issues, ie "Jedi Trial", and TBH I think that book sucks, but on some of the others where the main cast of the prequels bairly even rate passing mentions, I've not seen anything one way or another that backs you up.

Shatterpoint is a small part of the things released. The whole ventress arc in the show invalidates nearly the entire Republic comics. Even further, the way some characters behave (Barriss Offee for example) is irreconcilable with some parts, like, say, the Medstar Duology and the comics.

Considering that that particular character only had a significant roll in the Medstar books, which took place two years into the Clone Wars, and before then was either not involved or not directly focused on in most other non cartoon EU material, it's hard to say what specifically might have happened or not happened to her that drove that character into the role seen in TCW season 5.

Even after Medstar, prior to TCW tv show, the only other appearance of the character was a year after Medstar, in two clips of the ROTS comic book, being killed by a clone walker.

I'd say it's more of a 50/50 issue. While some things, like the Ventress arc as you well pointed out have been wiped away, really it could be a book for book or comic for comic issue. Some things like the Republic comics, unfortunately, may not be canon, but other things like Shatterpoint, for example, could still be considered canon, unless or until something directly comes out on film or tv that negates it.

[Thanas]

Considering that that particular character only had a significant roll in the Medstar books, which took place two years into the Clone Wars, and before then was either not involved or not directly focused on in most other non cartoon EU material, it's hard to say what specifically might have happened or not happened to her that drove that character into the role seen in TCW season 5.

A complete brain replacement is the one thing.

I'd say it's more of a 50/50 issue. While some things, like the Ventress arc as you well pointed out have been wiped away, really it could be a book for book or comic for comic issue. Some things like the Republic comics, unfortunately, may not be canon, but other things like Shatterpoint, for example, could still be considered canon, unless or until something directly comes out on film or tv that negates it.

I don't think this is a particularly clever, satisfying or sensible way to go about things. If you throw out the Republic comics you throw out the heart of the EU works regarding the clone wars. Nor is comic for comic or book for book a good way to do this considering how they built on each other. It really chaps my ass how there was finally a coherent attempt to have some direction and that attempt is thrown out.