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They kinda cockblocked any meaningful conflicts between the Republic and the Empire with that whole Galactic Concordance thing though. If Thrawn is kicking around and causing any trouble in the years following Endor, he's probably doing it as an independent force without any official Imperial support (not unlike Leia's Resistance in TFA).

Hell, in hindsight, that's pretty much what his fleet was back in the old EU anyway.
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It's possible that that's one rationale they draw for having the Republic openly support the Resistance-- if they've ganked their own military after defeating Thrawn, who else would defend them but the unofficially affiliated Resistance? Sort of like the situation with Palestine and Hamas writ large.

I can see there being a quick peace made between the Empire and Republic, but Thrawn goes rogue (how cheesy can you get) and tries to reclaim past glories, yada-yada. Something like that. Great literature? No, but it was never meant to be.

A slightly better alternative is that he leads or is part of a coup against the leadership of the Empire that ends up forming the First Order or whatever. Here's a bit from Wookieepedia that could fit:
With the Empire limited in its ability to wage war and reduced to a mere fragment of its former glory, Imperial warships began jumping into the Unknown Regions in an effort to escape the prying eyes of the New Republic. There, distanced from the galaxy at large and facing a vast and unexplored frontier, the First Order would eventually be formed from the remnants of the Old Empire, being inspired by the principles of the fallen government and led by former officers of the Empire.[3]

With many of the Emperor's servants carrying some of the regime's greatest military secrets to the Unknown Regions, the First Order began a massive militarization effort to produce a technologically superior military to the former Galactic Empire, keenly aware that it lacked the superior numbers of the former state.
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Whether Thrawn is involved or not, that would explain where Rae Sloane and the mysterious fleet admiral ended up.
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Okay, that episode was dumb as shit.
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Elheru Aran wrote:I can see there being a quick peace made between the Empire and Republic, but Thrawn goes rogue (how cheesy can you get) and tries to reclaim past glories, yada-yada.
A) The first order is pretty much the opposite of Thrawn both ideologically, stylistically and with regards to their ideas.
B) Thrawn going rogue because he tries to reclaim past glories does not fit his character either.
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A stormtrooper took a shot from the front turret of the Ghost clean in the chest and what it did to him was about in line with a blaster pistol.
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I liked Hando's presence here. He is self-serving but not utterly and to a reasonable extent. He does not expect other people to be better either.
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It may be possible to power-down the cannons. Zeb wanted the stormtroopers gone, not exposed the station to vacuum.
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Thanas wrote:
Elheru Aran wrote:I can see there being a quick peace made between the Empire and Republic, but Thrawn goes rogue (how cheesy can you get) and tries to reclaim past glories, yada-yada.
A) The first order is pretty much the opposite of Thrawn both ideologically, stylistically and with regards to their ideas.
B) Thrawn going rogue because he tries to reclaim past glories does not fit his character either.
It'd be interesting if the First Order has a long term goal similar to Thrawn's Empire of the Hand. Maybe they're privy to horrors beyond imagination that await the galaxy and feel that the Republic is not prepared or equipped to deal with such threats in its current disorderly state.
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The First Order does seem somewhat similar to Thrawn (vaguely) in at least two respects:

1. It seeks to re-establish an Imperial-style government, based on the old Galactic Empire.
2. Its leaders know when to cut their losses (see evacuating Starkiller Base, Phasma lowering the shields when captured, Ren pulling out after he caught Rey and the Resistance showed up).

However, I think it more likely that if Thrawn existed in the new continuity, he would be an enemy of the First Order. Thrawn was devoted to the Empire, not its bastardized off-shoot, and I don't think he'd think very highly of people like Hux or Ren. So, basically what Thanas said.
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Wasn't Thrawn's own secret organization in the Unknown Regions a bastardized off-shoot of the Empire as well? Also, Thrawn wasn't particularly fond of Joruus C'baoth either, but he recognized the value of having a dark Jedi's cooperation.

Hell, it's possible that Thrawn is the one who sought out Snoke using the new generation of Jedi (especially Ben Solo) as a lure and is actually the one pulling the strings.

This would all be very similar to the story that Zahn told.
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Yeah, no. Starkiller Base is the very opposite of what Thrawn planned. None of his plans ever involved massive, needless destruction of state authorities. He preferred to co-opt them. If Thrawn were behind the first order, then I guarantee you the resources poured into Starkiller base would be used on something more sensible, like ISDs. He would also not put Emo kid who completely forgets to do a thorough job in charge.
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Thrawn's resources were very limited in the old EU. In fact, much of what he did in the the original novels was meant to rebuild his forces so he could legitimately pose a significant threat to the New Republic.

And while he didn't actually try to destroy capital of the New Republic through direct brute force, he did take steps to neutralize it with his blockade of cloaked asteroids.

Finally, if emo kid served Thrawn's purposes, I can imagine that he would have found a use for him. His familial ties to the heroes of the OT alone would have been reason enough to use him as a psychological weapon against them.
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Sorry, but this is just getting stupid. He was not in favor of superweapons. You think that if you offer Thrawn Starkiller Base or 4000 ISDs he will not take the ISDs every single time?

And he was not fond of Dark Jedi unless he found a way to control them.
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I never said he was in favor of superweapons, but when did he ever come right out and say he opposed them? Do you seriously think he would have declined to use one if given the choice? He used whatever resources he could obtain if it gave him a strategic advantage over his enemy.

And we still don't know who or what Snoke is, but we do know that he controls Ren. If Thrawn is pulling his strings, that could very well be how maintains control over his dark Jedi.
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The more fan theories I see about Star Wars - especially when it comes to "ideas" to reintegrate Legends characters into the new Canon - the more I realize they're not worth the letters being used to string the words together.
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RogueIce wrote:The more fan theories I see about Star Wars - especially when it comes to "ideas" to reintegrate Legends characters into the new Canon - the more I realize they're not worth the letters being used to string the words together.
Can I count on you to continue reading them though?
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I think Zeb's Bo Rifle is meant to be a relic; as he's apparently a member of the royal guard. Needs more exploration though.
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Galvatron wrote:
RogueIce wrote:The more fan theories I see about Star Wars - especially when it comes to "ideas" to reintegrate Legends characters into the new Canon - the more I realize they're not worth the letters being used to string the words together.
Can I count on you to continue reading them though?
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I love it in the first minutes of the episode, Ezra says "we better hurry!" twice - they all continue walking at the exact same leisurely pace.

And where'd those TIE Fighters come from? Is the Arquitens a TARDIS? Fucking lazy.

Still, some nice visuals and music.
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The thing I found weird about the last episode is that when they found the planet in the anomaly Hera says that because they know were it is they can leave with no problem. Isn't there still really strong gravity they have to go through though or did the Bo rifle just found a safe passage.
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I'm going to go ahead and say space is three dimensional. :razz:
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DarthPooky wrote:The thing I found weird about the last episode is that when they found the planet in the anomaly Hera says that because they know were it is they can leave with no problem. Isn't there still really strong gravity they have to go through though or did the Bo rifle just found a safe passage.
I think that's the idea: they found a path that's safe to travel, hopefully recorded by the navigational computer.
That and now that they were inside the anomalies, they might have taken some time to map the place a bit. Note where all the hazards are and plot a way around them. It probably involved more navigational work (maybe for Hera) than it sounds to me though.
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If the path was that safe, though, the TIE fighters wouldn't have gotten destroyed following exactly in their wake (and therefore also in the path). There was something else going on.
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Rogue 9 wrote:If the path was that safe, though, the TIE fighters wouldn't have gotten destroyed following exactly in their wake (and therefore also in the path). There was something else going on.
I've yet to see the episode so I'm not 100% but if the "safe" path needed precise timing it's possible for the TIEs to get destroyed while still following the wake.
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It would also be related to the weird energy-field thing that covered the ships for all we know.
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