Ep3 review thread SPOILERS

Rhoades · Post by **Rhoades** » 2005-05-19 06:22pm

Superman wrote:True. Could Plagus have been Palpy's master though?

That's the first thought that crossed my mind upon hearing that story.

Skylon · Post by **Skylon** » 2005-05-19 06:22pm

Saw it last night at midnight. Wow. That was fun. My gripes are minor.

The whole crash-landing of the cruiser was a bit much. The thing had zero aerodynamics. I'd like to know how it pulled that off (I'll justify it as the force on Anakin and Obi-Wan's part).

Some of the romance dialogue isses that plagued Ep II but to a far less degree.

I can't believe fucking Jar-Jar survives. At least the little bastard didn't open his mouth this time.

Not a gripe, but was Jimmy Smits the only person on Coruscant to go investigate what was going on at the Jedi Temple? Did the Coruscant Fire-Dept. Take 5 and light up during that?

The good...its pretty much already been said here. One note though, I think the opening shot of the battle was the best opening shot of a SW film since the ISD fly-over in ANH.

I was really pulling for that young Jedi who Bail Organa saw fighting those clone troopers. Funny after being hyped to see the destruction of the Jedi I was hoping to see one make it out.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-05-19 06:29pm

The ship probably had repulsors still working inside it.

EDIT:

Oh and people, Jesus Christ, MACE HAD NO FUCKING CHANCE! DON'T YOU GET IT?! Palpatine had UNLIMITED POWER!!!

Shit! Palpy was so awesome that he almost turned me gay!

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-05-19 06:30pm

It had to since that battle was in LEO and anything that wasn't using standard reaction thrusters on full power would be falling without AG systems like repulsors working.

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-05-19 06:35pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:Probably because Mace is simply no match for Palpatine. He had the kid gloves on. Now, Yoda was something of a fight, but Yoda disengaged and ran away. If that doesn't show you how absolutely lethal Palpatine is, I don't know what does. People probably assumed he was frail and needed Vader as a bodyguard in RotJ, but his powers are not in doubt. He simply got too over-confident in the end.

With Yoda's retreat, there's another aspect that's more apparent in the novelization than the film. Yoda realizes that from the very start of the fight the deck is stacked against him. Yes, both he and the Emperor have equal power, but there's a key difference. The Jedi have stagnated in their ways, following the same traditions while the Sith, hidden for a millenia, have adapted and anticpated any contingency. This is where Yoda realizes that if their's any hope of stopping the Sith's Empire, what's left of the Jedi Order will have to adapt (hence training Luke at such a late stage).

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-05-19 06:36pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:It had to since that battle was in LEO and anything that wasn't using standard reaction thrusters on full power would be falling without AG systems like repulsors working.

Damned right. So the repulsors were failing, the ship was torn into half, shit was happening, but the repulsors were still on-line, despite being failing. So that's why the thing didn't drop like a brick.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-05-19 06:38pm

That typically happens with any unthreatened power. They get complacent and don't think about expecting the worse and preparing for it. When they heard of a Sith Lord being behind the TF embargoes, they should've put extra effort into training to seek him out. The fact that the whole Jedi Council failed to find that it was a guy under their own damn noses who was orchestrating the whole thing shows how much power Palpy had compared to any one Jedi in manipulating the Force.

Ironically, it's likely the same reason that the Empire falls in the end too, at least Palpy doesn't anticipate his right-hand man turning on him after all these years.

Mad · Post by **Mad** » 2005-05-19 06:43pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I also wanted more female Twi'lek Jedi shots, dammit!

What are you talking about? Aayla got shot plenty of times.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-05-19 06:49pm

Mad wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote:I also wanted more female Twi'lek Jedi shots, dammit!
What are you talking about? Aayla got shot plenty of times.

*rimshot*

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-05-19 06:49pm

Oh in the name of Yoda...

JME2 · Post by **JME2** » 2005-05-19 06:58pm

Admiral Valdemar wrote: Ironically, it's likely the same reason that the Empire falls in the end too, at least Palpy doesn't anticipate his right-hand man turning on him after all these years.

Exactly; only the Emperor could rule the Empire. It's also ironic considering that, like Dooku, Palpy fails to remember that treachery is the way of the Sith; it was only natural that Vader was going to try to overthrow him, as his dialouge to Padme in ROTS and then Luke in TESB shows.

From certain points of view, it also ties into the whole motive for him trying to get Luke to take Vader's place, that Vader had outlived his usefulness due to the injuries he sustained in ROTS. Vader was powerful, but never powerful enough to take on Palpy directly after Mustafar -- hence the TESB sales pitch. Since this made Palpy thereby more powerful, it never occured to him that Vader would finally take the direct apporach.

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2005-05-19 08:13pm

I loved it. Though my gripes were the droid's voices, the acting sometimes, and... well nothing, hell that was it.

Can't wait to see it again.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-05-19 08:29pm

Can we try and get the spelling right? It's Darth Plagueis, not "Plagus".

Post by **fgalkin** » 2005-05-19 08:55pm

I was left distinctly unimpressed. There were a lot of awesomne stuff but the Padme stuff killed it all. My god, that shit was almost painful to watch.

As for the rest, Yoda saves the movie, anything he did was incredibly cool, Dark Side Anakin was just angst+10, the Clones sucked (that's what you get fior watching a movie with a bunch of military guys), and the fact that Jar Jar lives was a great crime. I rate the movie 6.5/10 overall, 8.5/10 if you ignore the whole Padme/Anikin crap.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2005-05-19 08:56pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:EDIT:

Oh and people, Jesus Christ, MACE HAD NO FUCKING CHANCE! DON'T YOU GET IT?! Palpatine had UNLIMITED POWER!!!

No he didn't. He outright states that Darth Vader will be more powerful than he is.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-05-19 08:58pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
No he didn't. He outright states that Darth Vader will be more powerful than he is.

Maybe because Vader has more UNLIMITED POWER?

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-05-19 09:05pm

fgalkin wrote:I was left distinctly unimpressed. There were a lot of awesomne stuff but the Padme stuff killed it all. My god, that shit was almost painful to watch.

As for the rest, Yoda saves the movie, anything he did was incredibly cool, Dark Side Anakin was just angst+10, the Clones sucked (that's what you get fior watching a movie with a bunch of military guys), and the fact that Jar Jar lives was a great crime. I rate the movie 6.5/10 overall, 8.5/10 if you ignore the whole Padme/Anikin crap.

Have a very nice day.
-fgalkin

Obviously you watched a film no one else here did. I don't see how you can call some of the stuff in Episode III terrible when I've seen far more horrific stuff in B5 for example. There were some unintentionally funny scenes, but dammit, the film had barely no love stuff, was dark and had Palpatine fulfilling his legacy.

Shroom Man 777 · Post by **Shroom Man 777** » 2005-05-19 09:07pm

Ha, show that naysayer, Vlad!

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2005-05-19 09:08pm

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Ha, show that naysayer, Vlad!

*Force chokes Shroom*

It's Vald, Valdemar! Get it right, young fool!

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-05-19 09:09pm

Palpatine does not say "I have unlimited power." That's just his triumphant victory cry. Why? Because Anakin just went over to his side.

And the best Sidious (rather than Palpatine) quote is still:

"No ... No .... No ... YOU WILL DIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!"

*lightning*

Awesome.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2005-05-19 09:09pm

I agree fgalkin. I was *very* unimpressed with the movie. In fact I had to leave at one point because it was simply awful. The dialogue and pacing were amature at best, and the battle scenes were hit and miss, emphasis on miss.

4 out of 10. This does not give me hope for the tv series.

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-05-19 09:11pm

I don't know what you're talking about fgalkin.

Hayden Christansen had evil Anakin nailed down.

What little romance stuff there was really didn't even seem cringe worthy.

To steal a phrase, that movie had UNLIMITED POWER!

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-05-19 09:11pm

Alex Moon wrote:I agree fgalkin. I was *very* unimpressed with the movie. In fact I had to leave at one point because it was simply awful. The dialogue and pacing were amature at best, and the battle scenes were hit and miss, emphasis on miss.

4 out of 10. This does not give me hope for the tv series.

Ok you're officially insane. If you left during RotS but stayed during TPM and AotC ....

At what point did you leave, anyway?

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2005-05-19 09:12pm

Dude, EpIII had great pacing. Did we watch a different movie?

Darksider · Post by **Darksider** » 2005-05-19 09:12pm

You're both nuts...........

That movie was FUCKING AWSOME!

It was easily as good as the OT, if not better...........