Someone on TFN has the ICS- extracts, no firepower- spoiler?

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-03-28 09:03pm

The question would be how many shots it would take for those guns to melt the asteroid. 6.620E7 is a crapload more than the Acclamator's 200 gigaton guns.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-03-28 09:05pm

Considering they talk about piercing shields in the same sentence, and from what I've heard breaking through shields is easiest with lots of instantaneous energy, not prolonged (though I could be wrong), it shouldn't be too long of a bombardment...

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-03-28 09:05pm

Old Plympto wrote:
Crossroads Inc. wrote:
gladius wrote:In the novelization the Hand is under attack by three carrack cruisers and a dreadnaught, and that's what brings it's shields down. I guess we'll see what happens in the move, since the carracks and dreadnaught are most likely off-camera.
Really??? So Carracks and Dreadnaughts are (sorta) Cannon via novelization?
I guess the Dreadnaughts are from the Rendili fleet as shown in the Dark Horse Comics Republic series recently.

*does the happy dance*
Yippie! In one day I find out that both 'Imperator' and Dreadnaughts get to become Canon!

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-03-28 09:10pm

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:According to the Asteroid calculator, melt energy for an ice asteroid 1000 km in diameter is 6.620*10^7 gigatons.

Wrong. Mike's calculator is based on a nickle-iron asteroid.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-03-28 09:10pm

ICS wrote:
Two huge turbolaser cannons can blast-melt an ice moon measuring 1,000 kilometers (621 miles) in diameter, or pierce the shields of a 10 km-wide (6.2 mile-wide) Grade III battle station.

What kind of pussy battle station is this? It can get bitch slapped by a ship less than 10% of its length, and probably only a minute fraction of its volume. That has to use a portion of its interior space for propulsion systems, no less.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-03-28 09:12pm

Um.. you DID notice that those two TurboLasers look to be about 100meters long?

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2005-03-28 09:12pm

Invisible Hand details

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Here you go Vympel

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Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-03-28 09:13pm

Screenshot.

I AM reading this correctly, right? It looks to me as if it works for ice asteroids too...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-03-28 09:15pm

My bad.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-03-28 09:17pm

No worries... I probably should've linked or done something more than just say it with no backing... ^^;;

Anyways... magnitude 10 earthquake? What kind of energy is that?

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2005-03-28 09:18pm

That's all the capital ships. Requests?

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2005-03-28 09:19pm

Clone Sergeant wrote:That's all the capital ships. Requests?

An ICS of an Old Republic Dreadnaught

On another note.. it appears there IS Evidance of BDZ tacticts! looks like Vympel
lucks out

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-03-28 09:20pm

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.

Let it be known:

These included the hour-long orbital bombardment that depopulated and melted the crust of the former city planet of [can't read, too blurred], an ancient founding world of the Republic.

EDIT: the battle takes place *within* Coruscant's planetary shield? Woah.

Grandmaster Jogurt · Post by **Grandmaster Jogurt** » 2005-03-28 09:21pm

Crossroads Inc. wrote:On another note.. it appears there IS Evidance of BDZ tacticts! looks like Vympel lucks out

And in the same stroke it mentions other city-planets besides Nar Shadaa and Coruscant, too... that's something I've been looking for.

Edit: Planet's name looks like "Humbarine" to me.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2005-03-28 09:22pm

Vympel wrote:

I knew it, I knew it, I knew it.

Let it be known:

These included the hour-long orbital bombardment that depopulated and melted the crust of the former city planet of [can't read, too blurred], an ancient founding world of the Republic.

Humbarine.

Post by **Vympel** » 2005-03-28 09:23pm

Request time: Juggernaut!

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2005-03-28 09:40pm

Juggernaut

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Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2005-03-28 09:43pm

Emphasis mine:

ICS wrote:
Invisible Hand was built in a factory in the tunneled Quarren colony world of Pammant. The planet was recently devastated with radioactivity and fractured to the core by a cataclysmic hyperspace accident involving the Republic's Star Battlecruiser Quaestor

We know planetary shields aren't usually kept up 24/7. The Separatist fleet even manages to attack Coruscant before its shields are raised. Couldn't large, useless ships like Invincible-class Dreadnaughts be sent on kamikaze hyperspace missions to devastate enemy planets?

Techno_Union · Post by **Techno_Union** » 2005-03-28 09:44pm

My God they're massive!

I didn't think they were that big...

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-03-28 09:45pm

Its probably hard to aim shit that well.

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-03-28 09:50pm

A6, eh? Good move. It would explain the unavoidable slight differences in design with the A5 in the Imperial Sourcebook. Plus they have different arsenals as well.

Discussion as to which cockpit is the primary cockpit? I would have thought that KDY'd have manuals out saying which cockpit is which.

000 · Post by **000** » 2005-03-28 09:52pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:Quote/proof? I would not expect even those craft all in concert to be able to disable a Proficient-class destroyer. Maybe in addition to the Venator seen attacking it in the trailer.

Ah, you're right. I went back and checked-- Anakin does shoot out the bay shield.

"Energy flared from his cannons, and the shield emitters on the right side of the hanger door exploded into scrap. The blue shimmer of the bay shield flickered, faded, and vanished..."

Sorry. It's harder to remember things when listening to a novel than when reading it.

For what it's worth, I think it could be interpreted that the shields in question covered the bay only. Obi-Wan mentions a few minutes before this that the bay shields drop to let some fighters out.

The carrack/dreadnaught attack comes a few minutes later. Oh, and the carrack cruiser RSS Integrity is commanded by one LCDR Lorth Needa.

And by the way... the Hand is a Providence-class cruiser/carrier.

The novel has alot of other interesting little technical details, too.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2005-03-28 09:56pm

Well Saxton's authorative technical guide calls it a destroyer/carrier, so I'll run with that.

Additionally, the ICS above has images specifying that the atmospheric containment/air traffic control shield over the bay was destroyed, and the primary shields were already down.

RSS? We know the prefix stylization now. Republic Star Ship.

Guess its HIMSS (His Imperial Majesty's Star Ship) now.

Old Plympto · Post by **Old Plympto** » 2005-03-28 09:58pm

gladius wrote:The carrack/dreadnaught attack comes a few minutes later. Oh, and the carrack cruiser RSS Integrity is commanded by one LCDR Lorth Needa.

He must have been pretty young to have commanded a ship then. He doesn't look like he's reached 50 yet in ESB.

Chris OFarrell · Post by **Chris OFarrell** » 2005-03-28 09:59pm

Illuminatus Primus wrote:IMPERATOR-CLASS IS CANON.

And there was much rejoicing.

For the record, its only the name of the ship in between Episode II and the end of episode III. It gets changed to Imperial Class BY CANON after the purge