Star Wars: Rebels

PSW: discuss Star Wars without "versus" arguments.

Moderator: Vympel

User avatar
FedRebel
Jedi Master
Posts: 1071
Joined: 2004-10-12 12:38am

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by FedRebel »

Just had a Brain fart...

"We are the balance Ezra, we were meant to be Jedi so we could be here now when Lothal needs us most "

Thought occurs, it was the will of the Force that Kanan and Ezra met, what if that didn't happen?

TIE Defenders go into production
The Inquisitors aren't killed off

Imagine TIE Defenders at Yavin, Luke being hunted down by the Inquisitors.

If not for the will of the Force, the shroud of darkness would thicken

Kanan and Ezra are doomed by canon, but that doesn't mean their deaths are shallow, they play a very important part in the grander scheme allowing the light to blossom once more through Skywalker
Adam Reynolds
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2354
Joined: 2004-03-27 04:51am

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Adam Reynolds »

RogueIce wrote: If you're talking about Filoni's shirt as the source behind this, we have no idea if that was legit or if he's still trolling people about the whole thing.
Maybe, but it would not be the first time he did something like this. I believe he also canonized the idea that Rex was on Endor in the same fashion.
FedRebel wrote:If not for the will of the Force, the shroud of darkness would thicken

Kanan and Ezra are doomed by canon, but that doesn't mean their deaths are shallow, they play a very important part in the grander scheme allowing the light to blossom once more through Skywalker
Ezra's character arc in particular is largely about him realizing that it is not his destiny to destroy the Sith, but that what he does matters in other ways.
Adam Reynolds
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2354
Joined: 2004-03-27 04:51am

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Adam Reynolds »

The novel Thrawn has an interesting revelation that might hint towards Thrawn's fate against the Rebel Alliance: Spoiler
Unlike the Legends version of the character, in this version Thrawn was always loyal to the Ascendancy, and his apparent exile is in actuality a plot so that he can benefit the Ascendancy as opposed to the Empire. So perhaps he abandons the Empire and rejoins the Ascendancy at some point when he realizes that the Empire will inevitably lose to the Rebel Alliance.

There are also hints that the Yuzhan Vong or something like it is still out there, which also likely ties into Snoke and the formation of the First Order.

It is also possible that Thrawn is primarily interested in the superior power winning at any cost, and doesn't care if that is actually the Rebel Alliance. It would certainly explain his behavior nicely, in which he seems interested in weening out lousy Imperial officers as much as he is in crushing the Rebellion.
As a side note, it apparently also has an amusing line "Even when false, legends can be most informative." Nice summary of the new relationship betwee the new EU and the old.
User avatar
Galvatron
Decepticon Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 2002-07-12 12:27am
Location: Kill! Smash! Destroy! Rend! Mangle! Distort!

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Galvatron »

I just finished the novel myself and came to the same conclusion.
User avatar
Shroom Man 777
FUCKING DICK-STABBER!
Posts: 21222
Joined: 2003-05-11 08:39am
Location: Bleeding breasts and stabbing dicks since 2003
Contact:

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Shroom Man 777 »

He can be Revolver Thrawncelot and is playing all sides as a quadruple-agent so the galaxy that The Boss envisioned can come true! Hence the parasitic midichlorians designed by the Bendu whose speaking in parables and riddles makes him a CODETALKER, parasites which will be the basis of the NANOMACHINES the Empire will use, which will be hacked into the GUNS OF THE PARTISANS as Outer Jedha is envisioned!

It's really ridiculous that the Emperor and the Imperial military could be so easily and openly penetrated by some outside agent whose motives they don't know... then again, Group Captain Mandrake was able to influence the USAF's Strategic Air Command when one of its commanders lost his shit.
Image "DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source)
shroom is a lovely boy and i wont hear a bad word against him - LUSY-CHAN!
Shit! Man, I didn't think of that! It took Shroom to properly interpret the screams of dying people :D - PeZook
Shroom, I read out the stuff you write about us. You are an endless supply of morale down here. :p - an OWS street medic
Pink Sugar Heart Attack!
User avatar
Galvatron
Decepticon Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 2002-07-12 12:27am
Location: Kill! Smash! Destroy! Rend! Mangle! Distort!

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Galvatron »

You should read the book. Thrawn's motives were never concealed from the Emperor.
User avatar
Ender
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 11323
Joined: 2002-07-30 11:12pm
Location: Illinois

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Ender »

Galvatron wrote:You should read the book. Thrawn's motives were never concealed from the Emperor.

Yeah. Like, that fact basically IS the key to the plot. The denouement is the reveal of Nightswan's identity,which ties in the political arc of the novel to reveal him as an even greater opponent than perceived, and the resolution comes in the form of Thrawn telling the truth, revealing how his motivations and bargains had provided him the resources to defend against what Nightswan had been doing on Coruscant and in the Admirality as well.
بيرني كان سيفوز
*
Nuclear Navy Warwolf
*
in omnibus requiem quaesivi, et nusquam inveni nisi in angulo cum libro
*
ipsa scientia potestas est
User avatar
The Romulan Republic
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 21559
Joined: 2008-10-15 01:37am

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by The Romulan Republic »

Adam Reynolds wrote:The novel Thrawn has an interesting revelation that might hint towards Thrawn's fate against the Rebel Alliance: Spoiler
Unlike the Legends version of the character, in this version Thrawn was always loyal to the Ascendancy, and his apparent exile is in actuality a plot so that he can benefit the Ascendancy as opposed to the Empire. So perhaps he abandons the Empire and rejoins the Ascendancy at some point when he realizes that the Empire will inevitably lose to the Rebel Alliance.

There are also hints that the Yuzhan Vong or something like it is still out there, which also likely ties into Snoke and the formation of the First Order.

It is also possible that Thrawn is primarily interested in the superior power winning at any cost, and doesn't care if that is actually the Rebel Alliance. It would certainly explain his behavior nicely, in which he seems interested in weening out lousy Imperial officers as much as he is in crushing the Rebellion.
As a side note, it apparently also has an amusing line "Even when false, legends can be most informative." Nice summary of the new relationship betwee the new EU and the old.
I can see Thrawn playing both sides. Or, rather, his position being "I'm loyal to you as long as you're winning."

But then, wouldn't it stand to reason that he would side with the First Order, if he was alive by the time TFA rolled around?

Or, given that no one seems in a terribly strong position in TFA, could he be sitting it out, waiting to support whoever emerges in the strongest position at a critical moment?
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver

"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan."-General Von Clauswitz, describing my opinion of Bernie or Busters and third partiers in a nutshell.

I SUPPORT A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE TO REMOVE TRUMP FROM OFFICE.
User avatar
Shroom Man 777
FUCKING DICK-STABBER!
Posts: 21222
Joined: 2003-05-11 08:39am
Location: Bleeding breasts and stabbing dicks since 2003
Contact:

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Shroom Man 777 »

What is the Nightswan?
Image "DO YOU WORSHIP HOMOSEXUALS?" - Curtis Saxton (source)
shroom is a lovely boy and i wont hear a bad word against him - LUSY-CHAN!
Shit! Man, I didn't think of that! It took Shroom to properly interpret the screams of dying people :D - PeZook
Shroom, I read out the stuff you write about us. You are an endless supply of morale down here. :p - an OWS street medic
Pink Sugar Heart Attack!
User avatar
Galvatron
Decepticon Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 2002-07-12 12:27am
Location: Kill! Smash! Destroy! Rend! Mangle! Distort!

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Galvatron »

Shroom Man 777 wrote:What is the Nightswan?
Thrawn's Moriarty, essentially.
The Romulan Republic wrote:But then, wouldn't it stand to reason that he would side with the First Order, if he was alive by the time TFA rolled around?
It wouldn't surprise me, especially given the ending of Aftermath: Empire's End.
User avatar
The Romulan Republic
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 21559
Joined: 2008-10-15 01:37am

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by The Romulan Republic »

FedRebel wrote:Just had a Brain fart...

"We are the balance Ezra, we were meant to be Jedi so we could be here now when Lothal needs us most "

Thought occurs, it was the will of the Force that Kanan and Ezra met, what if that didn't happen?

TIE Defenders go into production
The Inquisitors aren't killed off

Imagine TIE Defenders at Yavin, Luke being hunted down by the Inquisitors.

If not for the will of the Force, the shroud of darkness would thicken

Kanan and Ezra are doomed by canon, but that doesn't mean their deaths are shallow, they play a very important part in the grander scheme allowing the light to blossom once more through Skywalker
I will reiterate that I do not feel canon obliges that Kanan and Ezra die, and honestly, I find that argument rather lacking in imagination, though the new teaser does make it seem more likely that it will happen anyway.
"I know its easy to be defeatist here because nothing has seemingly reigned Trump in so far. But I will say this: every asshole succeeds until finally, they don't. Again, 18 months before he resigned, Nixon had a sky-high approval rating of 67%. Harvey Weinstein was winning Oscars until one day, he definitely wasn't."-John Oliver

"The greatest enemy of a good plan is the dream of a perfect plan."-General Von Clauswitz, describing my opinion of Bernie or Busters and third partiers in a nutshell.

I SUPPORT A NATIONAL GENERAL STRIKE TO REMOVE TRUMP FROM OFFICE.
User avatar
Rogue 9
Scrapping TIEs since 1997
Posts: 18679
Joined: 2003-11-12 01:10pm
Location: Classified
Contact:

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Rogue 9 »

Lego Star Wars spoils the fate of some of the crew. Not really relevant to Rebels except for point 3 in the article.
It's Rogue, not Rouge!

HAB | KotL | VRWC/ELC/CDA | TRotR | The Anti-Confederate | Sluggite | Gamer | Blogger | Staff Reporter | Student | Musician
User avatar
Galvatron
Decepticon Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 2002-07-12 12:27am
Location: Kill! Smash! Destroy! Rend! Mangle! Distort!

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Galvatron »

More fodder for my theory that the Ghost becomes Mon Mothma's Air Force One.
eMeM
Padawan Learner
Posts: 236
Joined: 2016-02-21 11:50am

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by eMeM »

LEGO cartoons aren't canon, tho. (Or are they?)

On the other hand Forces of Destiny will be canon and they said one short will have Hera meet Leia on Endor.
User avatar
Galvatron
Decepticon Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 2002-07-12 12:27am
Location: Kill! Smash! Destroy! Rend! Mangle! Distort!

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Galvatron »

Battlefront II will also be canon and involve Inferno Squad on Endor. Maybe Hera will show up there too.

se.

I wonder where these guys were when the rebels and ewoks were making fools of the stormtroopers at the shield generator base.
User avatar
DesertFly
has been designed to act as a flotation device
Posts: 1381
Joined: 2005-10-18 11:35pm
Location: The Emerald City

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by DesertFly »

Just around the corner, obv.
Proud member of the no sigs club.
User avatar
Gandalf
SD.net White Wizard
Posts: 16358
Joined: 2002-09-16 11:13pm
Location: A video store in Australia

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Gandalf »

DesertFly wrote:Just around the corner, obv.
Perhaps there were oppositional super-Rebels who cancelled them out?
"Oh no, oh yeah, tell me how can it be so fair
That we dying younger hiding from the police man over there
Just for breathing in the air they wanna leave me in the chair
Electric shocking body rocking beat streeting me to death"

- A.B. Original, Report to the Mist

"I think it’s the duty of the comedian to find out where the line is drawn and cross it deliberately."
- George Carlin
User avatar
Knife
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 15769
Joined: 2002-08-30 02:40pm
Location: Behind the Zion Curtain

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Knife »

Been catching up with Rebels again, plus with scenes in Rogue One, the Rebel Alliance is fragmented and dominated by a few sects who are more willing to act than others. Shouldn't surprise anyone that some groups do operations others would not.
They say, "the tree of liberty must be watered with the blood of tyrants and patriots." I suppose it never occurred to them that they are the tyrants, not the patriots. Those weapons are not being used to fight some kind of tyranny; they are bringing them to an event where people are getting together to talk. -Mike Wong

But as far as board culture in general, I do think that young male overaggression is a contributing factor to the general atmosphere of hostility. It's not SOS and the Mess throwing hand grenades all over the forum- Red
User avatar
DesertFly
has been designed to act as a flotation device
Posts: 1381
Joined: 2005-10-18 11:35pm
Location: The Emerald City

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by DesertFly »

Gandalf wrote:
DesertFly wrote:Just around the corner, obv.
Perhaps there were oppositional super-Rebels who cancelled them out?
Imperials with anti-Imperials?
Proud member of the no sigs club.
User avatar
Rogue 9
Scrapping TIEs since 1997
Posts: 18679
Joined: 2003-11-12 01:10pm
Location: Classified
Contact:

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Rogue 9 »

Galvatron wrote:Battlefront II will also be canon and involve Inferno Squad on Endor. Maybe Hera will show up there too.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kae-JjbLsgA[youtube]se.

I wonder where these guys were when the rebels and ewoks were making fools of the stormtroopers at the shield generator base.
"That's the point, Sergeant." :lol:
It's Rogue, not Rouge!

HAB | KotL | VRWC/ELC/CDA | TRotR | The Anti-Confederate | Sluggite | Gamer | Blogger | Staff Reporter | Student | Musician
User avatar
NecronLord
Harbinger of Doom
Harbinger of Doom
Posts: 27384
Joined: 2002-07-07 06:30am
Location: The Lost City

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by NecronLord »

Galvatron wrote:Battlefront II will also be canon and involve Inferno Squad on Endor. Maybe Hera will show up there too.

se.

I wonder where these guys were when the rebels and ewoks were making fools of the stormtroopers at the shield generator base.
Remember the front entrance of the bunker they didn't go to? There.
Superior Moderator - BotB - HAB [Drill Instructor]-Writer- Stardestroyer.net's resident Star-God.
"We believe in the systematic understanding of the physical world through observation and experimentation, argument and debate and most of all freedom of will." ~ Stargate: The Ark of Truth
User avatar
Galvatron
Decepticon Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 2002-07-12 12:27am
Location: Kill! Smash! Destroy! Rend! Mangle! Distort!

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Galvatron »

I can't tell if you're kidding or not, but why would Inferno Squad hang around the front entrance even after Han's team was captured and especially after the ewoks attacked.

On another note, I just finished the Ahsoka novel. Like the Thrawn novel, it all takes place prior to Rebels so we learn nothing about her fate. Other than her interaction with an Inquisitor and Bail Organa, I thought it was rather dull and uneventful.
User avatar
Lord Revan
Emperor's Hand
Posts: 12236
Joined: 2004-05-20 02:23pm
Location: Zone:classified

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Lord Revan »

Galvatron wrote:I can't tell if you're kidding or not, but why would Inferno Squad hang around the front entrance even after Han's team was captured and especially after the ewoks attacked.

On another note, I just finished the Ahsoka novel. Like the Thrawn novel, it all takes place prior to Rebels so we learn nothing about her fate. Other than her interaction with an Inquisitor and Bail Organa, I thought it was rather dull and uneventful.
IIRC the imperial commanders thought that rebel/ewok attack was the decoy attack and therefore didn't deploy their main force to counter it, remember just because we know that Han's group was the main strike team it doesn't mean the imperials knew that.

Bad call from the imperials for sure but not an unjustified call.
I may be an idiot, but I'm a tolerated idiot
"I think you completely missed the point of sigs. They're supposed to be completely homegrown in the fertile hydroponics lab of your mind, dried in your closet, rolled, and smoked...
Oh wait, that's marijuana..."Einhander Sn0m4n
User avatar
Galvatron
Decepticon Leader
Posts: 6662
Joined: 2002-07-12 12:27am
Location: Kill! Smash! Destroy! Rend! Mangle! Distort!

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Galvatron »

I thought the Imperials knew that the rebels came in on the Tyderium. Palpatine knew enough to refer to them as a "pitiful little band."
Adam Reynolds
Jedi Council Member
Posts: 2354
Joined: 2004-03-27 04:51am

Re: Star Wars: Rebels

Post by Adam Reynolds »

Galvatron wrote:I thought the Imperials knew that the rebels came in on the Tyderium. Palpatine knew enough to refer to them as a "pitiful little band."
The Battlefront games seem to imply a much larger Rebel force than the film.
Post Reply