Stormtrooper Armor

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-14 12:47am

Sardaukar wrote:
If they have such an advanced hud, why do they look down the barrel of the guns to aim?

Because it reduces the margin for error- it assists the soldier, it does not mean the soldier doesn't need to make any effort.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-14 03:44am

Vympel wrote:
Sardaukar wrote:
If they have such an advanced hud, why do they look down the barrel of the guns to aim?
Because it reduces the margin for error- it assists the soldier, it does not mean the soldier doesn't need to make any effort.

Yes and think about this. If every time the stormtroopers appear in the movie they shoot with 100% efficiency, Solo would die in Dock-94.
Chewie, Luke and Leia die on the Death Star and in that case Obi-wan probably escapes because he doesn't have to sacrifice himself for no one.

The movie would be quite boring.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-14 05:04am

I know you're kidding, but-

Boba Fett wrote:
Yes and think about this. If every time the stormtroopers appear in the movie they shoot with 100% efficiency

Such efficiency is impossible. No fancy targeting system will get you such efficiency.

Boba Fett · Post by **Boba Fett** » 2003-01-14 06:47am

Instead try to imagine how would they shoot if they don't have this help...

One of my favourite part was always the scene on the Tantive IV.
The stormies and the rebel troops shoot at each other from approx ten meters and there was only five victims...

Like in a Naked Gun movie!!!

Kurgan · Post by **Kurgan** » 2003-01-14 11:57am

Of course, as always, consider the weapons they were using. The Rebels had pistols, and the Troopers had machineguns...

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-14 12:54pm

Instead try to imagine how would they shoot if they don't have this help...

One of my favourite part was always the scene on the Tantive IV.
The stormies and the rebel troops shoot at each other from approx ten meters and there was only five victims...

Like in a Naked Gun movie!!!

In a corridor full of smoke?

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-01-14 02:47pm

Pcm979 wrote:According to the Ep2VD, the Kaminoans see light only in the ultraviolet spectrum, so whilst everything seems white to us, they've probably got the Clonetroopers wearing their version of dayglo pink.
Additionally, Clonetroopers (and Stormies too) are trained as shocktroops who come down out of the sky and whip ass. Under these circumstances, camo painted uniforms are probably not the highest ranking items on the Imperial Budget.

Interesting. Perhaps it is part of some insidious scheme to make neon colours more fashionable???

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-01-14 03:31pm

Does the Stormie armour offer NBC protection?

Silver · Post by **Silver** » 2003-01-14 04:09pm

Sir Sirius wrote:Does the Stormie armour offer NBC protection?

Yes it does, since stormtroopers can go for short durations in space, meaning their suits can be totally sealed.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-14 05:39pm

What do you think the equivalent of stormy armour would be in steel ?

SylasGaunt · Post by **SylasGaunt** » 2003-01-15 02:28am

jaeger115 wrote:
Instead try to imagine how would they shoot if they don't have this help...

One of my favourite part was always the scene on the Tantive IV.
The stormies and the rebel troops shoot at each other from approx ten meters and there was only five victims...

Like in a Naked Gun movie!!!
In a corridor full of smoke?

It wasn't THAT smokey and the hole the Stormtroopers made was only big enough for them to come through one at a time (of course when you consider how many rebels were sitting out in the open with no cover it only gets worse).

Still their performance isn't really any worse than your average action movie henchmen so *shrug*

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2003-01-15 08:40pm

Pcm979 wrote:fooder

Ah crud.
*mandatory whine about edit buttons*

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2003-01-15 08:43pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:
Pcm979 wrote:According to the Ep2VD, the Kaminoans see light only in the ultraviolet spectrum, so whilst everything seems white to us, they've probably got the Clonetroopers wearing their version of dayglo pink.
Additionally, Clonetroopers (and Stormies too) are trained as shocktroops who come down out of the sky and whip ass. Under these circumstances, camo painted uniforms are probably not the highest ranking items on the Imperial Budget.
Interesting. Perhaps it is part of some insidious scheme to make neon colours more fashionable???

Wait till Ep 3- the Clonetroopers have afro-helmets and flared leg protectors!

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-15 09:26pm

Wait till Ep 3- the Clonetroopers have afro-helmets and flared leg protectors

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2003-01-15 11:53pm

jaeger115 wrote:
Wait till Ep 3- the Clonetroopers have afro-helmets and flared leg protectors

Either you don't get my joke or you don't think it's funny. I'd like to know.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-16 12:08am

white_rabbit wrote:What do you think the equivalent of stormy armour would be in steel ?

It would have to be made of several different layers, but the fact that it can withstand sufficient force to throw a person across a room and nearly knock him unconscious suggests that it would be at least three inches thick (7.5 cm). Remember that the best suits of armor ("White" armor) weighed more than 70, and sometimes as many as 130 pounds (about 28-50 kilos), and that they were no where near that thick.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2003-01-16 01:02am

Sardaukar wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:...It tracks targets (and also assists a soldier in checking to see if the barrel of his weapon is lined up with a target)
If they have such an advanced hud, why do they look down the barrel of the guns to aim?

Easier to aim that way...

FX · Post by FX » 2003-01-17 10:37am

Stormies may also have been trained to shoot without helmets during training, so it is habit that they go into aiming poses to fire. The reason for doing that is if your helmet malfunctions you still know how to hit your target.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-17 11:48am

Beowulf wrote:
Sardaukar wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:...It tracks targets (and also assists a soldier in checking to see if the barrel of his weapon is lined up with a target)
If they have such an advanced hud, why do they look down the barrel of the guns to aim?
Easier to aim that way...

Better for absorbing recoil and getting off second and third shots faster.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-17 01:37pm

Master of Ossus wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:What do you think the equivalent of stormy armour would be in steel ?
It would have to be made of several different layers, but the fact that it can withstand sufficient force to throw a person across a room and nearly knock him unconscious suggests that it would be at least three inches thick (7.5 cm). Remember that the best suits of armor ("White" armor) weighed more than 70, and sometimes as many as 130 pounds (about 28-50 kilos), and that they were no where near that thick.

Genestealers can definately kill stormys then!

Im not sure what you mean in the last sentance, but then, Im currently at the just stopped hallucinating stage of a virus....so humour me.

jaeger115 · Post by **jaeger115** » 2003-01-17 10:28pm

Either you don't get my joke or you don't think it's funny. I'd like to know.

I don't think it's funny.

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2003-01-17 10:33pm

jaeger115 wrote:
Either you don't get my joke or you don't think it's funny. I'd like to know.
I don't think it's funny.

Ah. The line's over there.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-18 11:10am

white_rabbit wrote:
Master of Ossus wrote:
white_rabbit wrote:What do you think the equivalent of stormy armour would be in steel ?
It would have to be made of several different layers, but the fact that it can withstand sufficient force to throw a person across a room and nearly knock him unconscious suggests that it would be at least three inches thick (7.5 cm). Remember that the best suits of armor ("White" armor) weighed more than 70, and sometimes as many as 130 pounds (about 28-50 kilos), and that they were no where near that thick.

Genestealers can definately kill stormys then!

Im not sure what you mean in the last sentance, but then, Im currently at the just stopped hallucinating stage of a virus....so humour me.

I don't know who the genestealers are, but in any case: the best Medieval armor was "white armor." Once firearms came into being, armorers desperately made their armor thicker in an attempt to protect the soldiers from bullets and crossbow fire. The thickest "white armor" ever got was about three-quarters of an inch, because after that it was literally impossible for a knight to be effective in combat--and it was murder on the horses. Now that I think about it, though, stormtrooper armor would have to be considerably thicker than I'm giving it credit for. .50 caliber rounds can sometimes penetrate tank armor, which is three inches thick, and the penetrating power of the spear thrown in "Lightsabers" is at LEAST as great as a .50 caliber round. I now think it would take between 10 and 25 inches of steal to duplicate the stopping power of the stormtrooper armor, but of course the material strength will still be lower.

white_rabbit · Post by **white_rabbit** » 2003-01-18 06:59pm

and the penetrating power of the spear thrown in "Lightsabers" is at LEAST as great as a .50 caliber round. I now think it would take between 10 and 25 inches of steal to duplicate the stopping power of the stormtrooper armor, but of course the material strength will still be lower.

The spear was thrown by a Rancor I take it ?

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-01-18 07:01pm

white_rabbit wrote:
and the penetrating power of the spear thrown in "Lightsabers" is at LEAST as great as a .50 caliber round. I now think it would take between 10 and 25 inches of steal to duplicate the stopping power of the stormtrooper armor, but of course the material strength will still be lower.

The spear was thrown by a Rancor I take it ?

A cyborg, actually. It threw the man across a room. Not even a .50 caliber round can come close to that, even if the man was so well protected as to prevent the round from punching through him. This is short of a modern aircraft cannon, but it isn't below a .50 caliber round.

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