Why wasn't Kyp Durron ever punished?

[Noble Ire]

Well, as far as that goes, I'd imagine they can't cover up the Suncrusher itself, or at least the fact that there's something out there causing stars to go nova for no apparent reason, as any amatuer astronomer in the SW galaxy would doubtless know about it.

Isn't it true that in Tales of the Bounty Hunter, it mentions how a star going nova is not enough to attract the attention of the galaxy at large?

It is, but I imagine there's a difference between "expected novas" and "previously healthy stars that go nova for no readily obvious reason".

IIRC, the world mentioned as being destroyed in the afforementioned incident was one of the millions of little, nowhere worlds on the Outer Rim. Carida was known galaxy wide, home to one of the largest military acadmies in existance, and sported a population of billions. If an earthquake in South America buries a town of a few hundred, it'll be a headline story for a couple of days, if that. San Francisco sinking into the Pacific? That's a different story.

[Surlethe]

IIRC, the world mentioned as being destroyed in the afforementioned incident was one of the millions of little, nowhere worlds on the Outer Rim. Carida was known galaxy wide, home to one of the largest military acadmies in existance, and sported a population of billions. If an earthquake in South America buries a town of a few hundred, it'll be a headline story for a couple of days, if that. San Francisco sinking into the Pacific? That's a different story.

Ah, I didn't realize how important Carida was. Thanks for the correction. On an entirely irrelevant note, the fact that an entire inhabited star system in the Outer Rim is analogous to some shithole village in a third-world country is yet another nail in the rotting coffin of EU minimalism.

[Tychu]

Yeah, there was. Because KJA's writing is bullshit. sucks balls, he's a pathetic and worthless idiot author who spoiled SW with idiotic Jedi-Wank, technobabble superweapons (including re-use of cliche SW plots) and other crap.

Shortly, the reason for the bullshit about Kyp Durron is KJA himself. Does he think the Jedi were not subject to Rep. laws?

besides what you said. wasnt Kyp a child when he took the SunCrusher? I havent read those books in 5 years mind you but if he was a child, im sure a galactic Republic would have similar laws that we here on Earth do about minors and killings

though killing beings on a galactic scale should put anyone to death 500x

[Big Orange]

I'm puzzled why a obvious genocidal maniac like Kyp Durron, if he potentially killed billions upon billions of innocent civilians just to get at a few million "evil" Imperials, was not properly punished for his act. That sounds like dishonest and morally cowardly writing on the author's part.

Of course the Death Star may have had a few thousand civilians onboard as support staff or prisoners when it blew up, but it was a very dangerous military target that was in act of suppressing the galaxy - the Cadia system sounds like it was just a giant barracks and training site, with lots of major civilian cities and it was not necessary to totally annihilate it (Durron's alleged act of wiping out many populated frontier worlds just to get at a few warships seems like an act of ruthless spite as well).

[Mr Bean]

Pure and simple, Kyp Durron was a mass murder on a scale not seen since Vadar. Yet because of the NR shaky political situation, the fact that Luke, prehaps the greatest Hero the NR has to offer. And combine that with the fact that Kyp had a few people willing to speak from him among the NR's hawks and you got a situation where they were willing to sweep things under a rug.

The Galaxy's a big place, but if you control the orbitals you can control the flow of information. If the government plays it the right way everyone might forget about it in a year. What with the only witnesses being dead thanks to super-nova's and the governments controlling the information they might have successfully swept under the rug until the more urgant information of the ongoing war made everyone forget.

[Big Orange]

Seems like galling hypocrasy and double standards if Luke and his close compatriots were willing to cover up for the biggest genocidal psychopath since Lord Vader and Grand Moff Tarkin.

[consequences]

No one ever gave half a shit about the destruction of Byss, either. Quite frankly, the NR and its heroes don't care how many civilians die, as long as they are Imperial.

[Big Orange]

No one ever gave half a shit about the destruction of Byss, either. Quite frankly, the NR and its heroes don't care how many civilians die, as long as they are Imperial.

Wasn't Byss a fortress planet populated entirely with willing Imperial minions and doomed slaves, not ordinary people? Anyway it is a fucked up notion that Imperial citizens should die, when Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa and the other Rebels were essentially Imperial citizens or Imperial military deserters anyway.

[Solauren]

Short hand reason why Kyp wasn't punished:

His best friend was married to a high level member of the Republic government

[Noble Ire]

No one ever gave half a shit about the destruction of Byss, either. Quite frankly, the NR and its heroes don't care how many civilians die, as long as they are Imperial.

Wasn't Byss a fortress planet populated entirely with willing Imperial minions and doomed slaves, not ordinary people? Anyway it is a fucked up notion that Imperial citizens should die, when Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa and the other Rebels were essentially Imperial citizens or Imperial military deserters anyway.

Most of the population was apparently made up of colonists and laborers lured there under false pretenses and then used for slave labor and "Force fodder" by the Emperor and his minions. Nonetheless, one can't really say that the entire planetary populace was constituted by willing Imperial minions; only a small fraction of its twenty billion inhabitants could probably be considered "enemy combatants".

One of the most egregious and irrational examples of an apparent disregard for the life of Imperial civilians can be found in the Infinities comic version of ANH, in which Yoda commandeers the Death Star and crashes it into Coruscant. Not only does the Jedi Master apparently not have any problem with sacrificing trillions of innocents to destroy the Imperial leadership, but none of the Alliance characters who escape the disaster shed any tears over the lives lost. Thankfully, the tale is non-canon, but it does demonstrate the moral disconnect and blatant stupidity of some EU authors.

[eyl]

To some extent, pardoning Durron came back to haunt the Jedi during the Vong invasion - the fact that Durron had not only gotten away with killing billions but was a respected member of th Order was used as an element in the anti-Jedi propaganda circulating at the time (I can't remember exactly in what book this was, but I'm pretty sure it was in one of the Dark Tide books).

Though that didn't prevent them (or, more accurately, Jaina's Wraith Squadron advisors) from taking advantage of Durron's status as "Destroyer of Worlds" to enhance Jaina's "goddess status" (Rebel Dream), which I found rather grotesque.

[Imperial Overlord]

No one ever gave half a shit about the destruction of Byss, either. Quite frankly, the NR and its heroes don't care how many civilians die, as long as they are Imperial.

Byss was destroyed by the one of the projectiles from the Emperor's dying Galaxy Gun with which he was quite happy to blow up other planets. It was

1) an accident

2) because of the ammunition used for the planet destroying super gun in orbit.

We don't go blaming the rebels for the Endor holocaust which was a predictable result of destroying the second Death Star. The destruction of Byss was a freak result of destroying the Galaxy Gun, a disaster to be sure but not a likely one. It's tragic, but not like deliberately supernoving a sun or blowing up a planet.

[The Grim Squeaker]

One of the most egregious and irrational examples of an apparent disregard for the life of Imperial civilians can be found in the Infinities comic version of ANH, in which Yoda commandeers the Death Star and crashes it into Coruscant. Not only does the Jedi Master apparently not have any problem with sacrificing trillions of innocents to destroy the Imperial leadership, but none of the Alliance characters who escape the disaster shed any tears over the lives lost. Thankfully, the tale is non-canon, but it does demonstrate the moral disconnect and blatant stupidity of some EU authors.

To be fair they showed a punified version of the Death star that didn't even explode (IT merely flattened the palace and the surroundings in a puny fireball), and removing the Emperor and removing the Emperor and most of the upper echelons of the Imperial command & bureaucracy would shorten the duration of the war to a fraction (Saving trillions of lives compared to a few billions at most lost by the destruction of a district of Coruscant, terrible but a case of "The means justify the end").

[consequences]

No one ever gave half a shit about the destruction of Byss, either. Quite frankly, the NR and its heroes don't care how many civilians die, as long as they are Imperial.

Byss was destroyed by the one of the projectiles from the Emperor's dying Galaxy Gun with which he was quite happy to blow up other planets. It was

1) an accident

2) because of the ammunition used for the planet destroying super gun in orbit.

We don't go blaming the rebels for the Endor holocaust which was a predictable result of destroying the second Death Star. The destruction of Byss was a freak result of destroying the Galaxy Gun, a disaster to be sure but not a likely one. It's tragic, but not like deliberately supernoving a sun or blowing up a planet.

Byss was destroyed because R2 rammed the Eclipse 2 into the GG, sitting in Byss's orbit. This would most likely have resulted in the Endor Holocaust take 2 even if it hadn't been for the misfire.

It would be nice if we had any indication it was ever treated as a tragedy. The only confirmed reaction we ever see to the event is Chewie shouting something to the effect of 'Long live the Republic!', while the planet is still exploding.

When I say they don't give a shit, I mean just that, that they don't give a shit. Not even to the extent of ever expressing ten words of regret about the passing of a bunch of luckless schmucks over the course of the next twenty years.

Of course, you can't really expect more from the worthless fuckers that left Toprawa to suffer for a decade or more, and couldn't be bothered to relocate their main base after it was realised that an innocent race of sentients lived on the planet when the Empire knew exactly where to find them.

[Imperial Overlord]

The galaxy gun was only a little over seven kilometers long and the Eclipse 2 was merely a big star dreadnought. Their combined mass would have been no where near to that of the the Death Star 2 wouldn't have been anywhere close to as bad.

[consequences]

The galaxy gun was only a little over seven kilometers long and the Eclipse 2 was merely a big star dreadnought. Their combined mass would have been no where near to that of the the Death Star 2 wouldn't have been anywhere close to as bad.

I could have sworn that the Galaxy Gun was a lot bigger. If not, then oh well, chalk one up to me not willingly reading Empire's End since I first got hold of it.

[Noble Ire]

One of the most egregious and irrational examples of an apparent disregard for the life of Imperial civilians can be found in the Infinities comic version of ANH, in which Yoda commandeers the Death Star and crashes it into Coruscant. Not only does the Jedi Master apparently not have any problem with sacrificing trillions of innocents to destroy the Imperial leadership, but none of the Alliance characters who escape the disaster shed any tears over the lives lost. Thankfully, the tale is non-canon, but it does demonstrate the moral disconnect and blatant stupidity of some EU authors.

To be fair they showed a punified version of the Death star that didn't even explode (IT merely flattened the palace and the surroundings in a puny fireball), and removing the Emperor and removing the Emperor and most of the upper echelons of the Imperial command & bureaucracy would shorten the duration of the war to a fraction (Saving trillions of lives compared to a few billions at most lost by the destruction of a district of Coruscant, terrible but a case of "The means justify the end").

I might be wrong, but they don't show the full effects of the impact; just the first moments of the Death Star's fall. Even if the version shown is truly puny, smaller than even the most minimalist figures, it would still be around a hundred kilometers in diameter. Even though the DS is not as solid as an asteroid might be, it is still composed mostly of matter, and of matter far more dense than natural minerals and ice. The impact would have to be utterly catastrophic; aside from the billions who would die instantly, trillions more would perish in the ensuing chaos, the debris, the infastructural collapse, the firestorms and earthquakes that would devestate any of the planet city that remained intact.

Though one could make the case that the "greater good" was still served, the choice was still grossly out of character for Yoda, even at his most disillusioned.

[Big Orange]

And killing off 95% of the Empire's central government with the Death Star flattening Coruscant's political district would cause even more galaxy wide turmoil than in the actual canon with just Palpatine, Vader with a few other assorted aides and officers croaking it at Endor (in fact Yoda would roast most of the Empire's potential internal opposition as well).

[Surlethe]

I might be wrong, but they don't show the full effects of the impact; just the first moments of the Death Star's fall. Even if the version shown is truly puny, smaller than even the most minimalist figures, it would still be around a hundred kilometers in diameter. Even though the DS is not as solid as an asteroid might be, it is still composed mostly of matter, and of matter far more dense than natural minerals and ice. The impact would have to be utterly catastrophic; aside from the billions who would die instantly, trillions more would perish in the ensuing chaos, the debris, the infastructural collapse, the firestorms and earthquakes that would devestate any of the planet city that remained intact.

Though one could make the case that the "greater good" was still served, the choice was still grossly out of character for Yoda, even at his most disillusioned.

If this Death Star was capable of one superlaser shot at the time, the impact would have been completely catastrophic. If 1e21 kg crashed at 3e4 m/s, it would have kinetic energy of 5e29 J. This is so catastrophic as to beggar the imagination: 1e14 megatons of TNT. Imagine five hundred thousand KT asteroids all striking Coruscant simultaneously, and you'll have some idea of what it was like.

[Big Orange]

That's more selfish than in Alien: Resurrection where the "heroes" plough the multi-kilometer USM Auriga science ship into one of Earth's continents (Africa or Australia?). That must've killed tens of millions (but in a restored scene you see a deserted Paris with a ruined Eifle Tower, the Earth seems to a nuclear dump anyway).

[Baal]

There must have been some sort decent amount of human population on Earth. If the planet was an unihabited wasteland then why would the heroes of the movie have cared if the ship was going to land on Earth.

[Raj Ahten]

With shit like Kyp Durran getting away with mass murder and the utter weakness of the New Republic in the face of external threat (the Vong), I'm surprised that the old school rebels aren't completely pissed. They faught against the empire, only to have a weak shell put in place afterward. Talk about a bad ending to a revolution.

[Noble Ire]

With shit like Kyp Durran getting away with mass murder and the utter weakness of the New Republic in the face of external threat (the Vong), I'm surprised that the old school rebels aren't completely pissed. They faught against the empire, only to have a weak shell put in place afterward. Talk about a bad ending to a revolution.

That disillusionment is actually noted after Coruscant to the Yuuzhan Vong invasion armada, especially when the surviving members of the Senate attempt to continue the foolhardy and pig-headed policies that almost lost them the galaxy. The "Old Guard" resolves to adopt some of the methods they used during the Civil War, and undermines the remnants of the New Republic so that a (comparatively) more competant government can be established, the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances.

[Darth Fanboy]

With shit like Kyp Durran getting away with mass murder and the utter weakness of the New Republic in the face of external threat (the Vong), I'm surprised that the old school rebels aren't completely pissed. They faught against the empire, only to have a weak shell put in place afterward. Talk about a bad ending to a revolution.

Unfortunately the EU did not handle this ideology split in a competent way. The side plotline involving "The Insiders" seemed to go absolutely nowhere when it held a good potential IMHO. I think one of the problems is with the EU is that we see all of the possibly great leaders actively shun politics, and all politicians eventually turning up to be crooked, overly egotistical, or both. Cal Omas was close, until he turned into a total goofy prick during Dark Nest.

Although to give credit, Wedge antilles says at one point in the X Wing series that he prefers wearing his uniform with pride rather than being forced into hiding. He'll take the political squabbles over the Empire any day.

[Enola Straight]

Perhaps the GFFA's psycological/psychiatric field is advanced enough to recognise supernatural possesion as a measurable mental disorder, and thus, a valid legal defense.

Not guilty by reason of mental disease or defect.

A High Ranking Jedi Master could surely sell the point.



Or maybe the author just sucks.