Humanity's Origin in Star Wars

Tsyroc · Post by **Tsyroc** » 2002-08-19 06:41am

jenat-lai wrote:Just an idea. Who said that Starwars humans are indeed genetically compatible with us? Ok so they look like us, but apart from that, who knows.

Yeah, they could be Sebaceans....except they seem to handle the heat on Tatooine pretty well.

Patrick Ogaard · Post by **Patrick Ogaard** » 2002-08-19 08:25am

Tsyroc wrote:
jenat-lai wrote:Just an idea. Who said that Starwars humans are indeed genetically compatible with us? Ok so they look like us, but apart from that, who knows.
Yeah, they could be Sebaceans....except they seem to handle the heat on Tatooine pretty well.

Well, Sebaceans and humans are apparently genetically compatible, as are Sebaceans and Luxans, and Sebaceans and the telekinetic, blasterproof lizard fellows whose species name I've managed to forget. A simple Farscape answer, of course, would be that the majority of the humanoid races/species of the Farscape galaxy are actually races or subspecies of one core species. For that matter, the Luxans have at least one closely related race or species that they fawn over almost uncontrollably.

Given an assortment of interstellar civilizations with centuries or millenia of development and advanced genetic engineering (dentics and translator microbes being notable examples), the development of distinctive subspecies seems almost inevitable.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-08-19 11:47am

Darth Wong wrote:No, humans started here. Since SW has no record of its biological origins and the odds against humans evolving separately is negligible, the only logical conclusion is that those humans came from here too.

Or perhaps humanity developed a spacefaring civilization which later fell here on Earth??? Holy macaroni, I'm turning into Erich von Däniken...

GrandMasterTerwynn · Post by **GrandMasterTerwynn** » 2002-08-19 02:02pm

Master of Ossus wrote:There are two potential homeworlds for humanity in SW. One is Coruscant, for obvious reasons. The second is Corellia. Note that these are not mutually exclusive. We know that an ancient alien race of immense power constructed the Corellian system. It is possible that they also brought humans there from Coruscant (or even the future Earth), to populate it.

Ahh, but you don't need time travel to explain Earth-style humans in the SW galaxy. homo sapiens sapiens has been around for at least 30,000 - 50,000. Some estimates have essentially modern humans around for upwards of 100,000 years. One could assume that an ancient race of slavers (first motivation that came to mind) simply abducted a few tribes worth of paleolithic hunter-gatherers and eventually deposited them on some planets in the SW galaxy, (or in the Milky Way too, for that matter . . . might explain all those humans with funny foreheads that seem to be so prevalent in Star Trek and . . . behold SW/ST crossovers without crossing realities! ;-),) then we have a ready population of humans that came from Earth that would go on to develop a technological civilization that persisted for at least 25,000 years in some other galaxy.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-08-19 02:18pm

GrandMasterTerwynn wrote: Ahh, but you don't need time travel to explain Earth-style humans in the SW galaxy. homo sapiens sapiens has been around for at least 30,000 - 50,000. Some estimates have essentially modern humans around for upwards of 100,000 years. One could assume that an ancient race of slavers (first motivation that came to mind) simply abducted a few tribes worth of paleolithic hunter-gatherers and eventually deposited them on some planets in the SW galaxy, (or in the Milky Way too, for that matter . . . might explain all those humans with funny foreheads that seem to be so prevalent in Star Trek and . . . behold SW/ST crossovers without crossing realities! ,) then we have a ready population of humans that came from Earth that would go on to develop a technological civilization that persisted for at least 25,000 years in some other galaxy.

That's an interesting idea, but evolution would make the transplanted proto-humans slightly different from us. They'd still be genetically compatible, though...

Hm...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-19 02:33pm

A long time ago....

It evokes such strange possibilities.

For example, 'a long time ago' can accurately be claimed to be the current generations childhood. Even mine seems a long way back, and I'm only twenty(Mind you, with my memory, I'll be senile by age 32..).

It also harkens back to bedtime stories of Arthur and his knights, or dragons and swordsmen.

Therefore I conclude that the events of the epic Star Wars saga all occoured in 1700, and all alien sightings are the Wookies, wondering where we all went.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2002-08-20 01:46am

Maybe humanity simply came to the SW galaxy by a lost sleeper ship. They would, after millions(or billions) be exactly the same. Hey for all we know(and for conspiracy's sake) maybe the Andromeda galaxy(the real one, not from the show!) is the SW galaxy!(After all, the "long time ago . . . " could simply be interpreted as the future of SW looking back.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-20 02:08am

After millions

or billions

of years animals (including humans) have significant changes from evolution. So we would probably look different. Maybe that is what happened to some humanoids that really aren't aliens but are mutations or products of evolution or whatever.

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2002-08-20 06:10am

If we are the basis for the SW universe, then how does the Force come into play?

If we go by the "midochlorian" theory, then how does every living thing in the SW galaxy get.....infected...so to speak, with the Force? With no recorded interstellar species before humans, we would have to assume that prehaps the Force spread through the same species that created the Maw and Corellia.

It would be a very interesting study.

Lusankya · Post by **Lusankya** » 2002-08-20 10:22am

SW has a spacefaring human culture that goes back at least 40,000 years. Leia was searching through planets in one of the EU books, and found one that was settled at that time.

Damn! I need to read the books again. I will find that source if anyone insists on it, but I'd prefer to just be trusted. I've forgotten which book it was, and I simply don't have time to look through them all at the moment.

So I think we need a sickening time-travel copout to reconcile starwars with us.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-08-20 11:27am

LMSx wrote:If we are the basis for the SW universe, then how does the Force come into play?

If we go by the "midochlorian" theory, then how does every living thing in the SW galaxy get.....infected...so to speak, with the Force? With no recorded interstellar species before humans, we would have to assume that prehaps the Force spread through the same species that created the Maw and Corellia.

It would be a very interesting study.

Midichlorians? You mean, like the real worlds Mitocondria, which are the power-plants of cells, and thus necessary for life?

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-20 02:32pm

Could be midichlorians, but then wouldn't all of the aliens that are capable of using the Force have the exact same types of midichlorians? I don't think it's likely that they are midichlorians. Not all aliens will have the same physiology as humans/humanoids do.

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2002-08-20 07:45pm

I realize that Lucas either wanted to make the SW universe sound more exotic or failed biology, but there is no evidence beyond a similar sounding name that midichlorians are actually mitochondria. Anything else is speculation.

LMSx · Post by **LMSx** » 2002-08-20 07:46pm

AND, if midichlorians are actually mitochondria, why aren't Earth natives Force-sensitive?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2002-08-20 10:51pm

Darth Wong wrote:And all of those pesky pre-human fossils are just a neat coincidence, as is the entire fossil record and the biochemical homology we share with the rest of the globe?

No, humans started here. Since SW has no record of its biological origins and the odds against humans evolving separately is negligible, the only logical conclusion is that those humans came from here too.

Not to sound like an idiot, but that conclusion has always bothered me. Why do they have to be from Earth? Why couldn't they have evolved seperately?

I've always filed it under Suspension of Disbelief ("There are humans in the Star Wars Galaxy and that's final"). The idea that SW humans come from Earth also seems a little egotistical, in my opinion.

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just wondering why this idea is believed so strongly. I just accept that they're there.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2002-08-21 01:29am

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:
Darth Wong wrote:And all of those pesky pre-human fossils are just a neat coincidence, as is the entire fossil record and the biochemical homology we share with the rest of the globe?

No, humans started here. Since SW has no record of its biological origins and the odds against humans evolving separately is negligible, the only logical conclusion is that those humans came from here too.
Not to sound like an idiot, but that conclusion has always bothered me. Why do they have to be from Earth? Why couldn't they have evolved seperately?

I suggest you study the principle of biological evolution before asking this question. If you understand it, then you won't ask the question. And to forestall the next question, the chance of separately evolving creatures which look and function identically to humans is also negligible.

I've always filed it under Suspension of Disbelief ("There are humans in the Star Wars Galaxy and that's final"). The idea that SW humans come from Earth also seems a little egotistical, in my opinion.

It's egotistical to think that biological evolution in completely different environments from different starting points can't possibly produce identical results? No, that's not egotistical; that's scientifically knowledgeable.

I'm not trying to start anything, I'm just wondering why this idea is believed so strongly. I just accept that they're there.

So do I. But we're asking how they got there, not whether they are there.

StarshipTitanic · Post by **StarshipTitanic** » 2002-08-21 01:35am

We have roughly 50,000 years to work with. We know that Leia found a planet settled 40,000 years ago. That gives humans 10,000 years to develop from a stone age culture to a space-faring one if a group was transplanted from Earth to the SW galaxy. There doesn't seem to be any racists among the humans (against other humans), so that probably means they worked together for a good portion of that time.

Lusankya · Post by **Lusankya** » 2002-08-21 09:09am

But I thought the first modern humans appeared about 40,000 years ago, in which case, SW humans probably aren't the same species as us.

Although they could be a subspecies, I suppose. Some earlier hominids looked more like modern humans than later versions.

Guardsman Bass · Post by **Guardsman Bass** » 2002-08-21 01:28pm

When I made my post about Star Wars humans being "Earth" humans transported for millions of years in sleeper ships, I meant that during the million years, they would be in either hibernation or cryogenic storage, so THEY wouldn't change at all during the time. Humans back "home" could change a lot.

I thought that by the time the Republic was founded, Humanity was already widespread across the galaxy due to use of slower(probably STL) ships. I think in his pages on Humanoids, Curtis Saxton states somewhere that some of the core worlds have been settled by humans for several hundred thousands of years.

Oh, and I think that although Humanity is probably the most widespread race in SW, the Duros are pretty ubiquitous too.

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2002-08-21 02:44pm

LMSx wrote:If we are the basis for the SW universe, then how does the Force come into play?

If we go by the "midochlorian" theory, then how does every living thing in the SW galaxy get.....infected...so to speak, with the Force?.

YODA: And well you should not. For my ally in the Force. And a
powerful ally it is. Life creates it, makes it grow. It's energy
surrounds us and binds us. Luminous beings are we...(Yoda pinches
Luke's shoulder)...not this crude matter. (a sweeping gesture) You must
feel the Force around you. (gesturing) Here, between you...me...the
tree...the rock...everywhere! Yes, even between this land and that
ship!

I gave up on the midichlorian theory a long time ago. It might be a way of detecting Force sensitivity, but beyond that, forget it.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-22 04:23am

Guardsman Bass:

My mistake. I misread it.

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-08-22 05:31pm

The best explaination is that Star Wars takes place in an alternative universe in the same galaxy as ours (or a different one depending the alternative universe's history).

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2002-08-24 06:20am

Just a comment on the theory that the SW universe is the same as ours:

Wouldn't this mean that the grey-skinned aliens who many claim to be have abducted by..... are.... descendants or relatives of the Kaminoans??

I speculate that they are relatives rather than a special race of 'Noans, since....

1. The "greys" reported by most abductees are usually 3 or 4 feet tall, while adult Kaminoans tend to be 7-8 feet tall.
2. I have seen several illustrations of greys, and many of them depict creatures with quite long, pointy, triangular faces, while Kaminoans have rather round facial features. (however, the Kaminoans were originally intended to look almost
exactly like the aliens at the end of "Close Encounters Of The Third Kind" but they were deemed to spooky and they were made slightly more human)
3. However, the aliens in the computer game Drowned God look a lot like Midget Kaminoans.

IRG CommandoJoe · Post by **IRG CommandoJoe** » 2002-08-25 06:48pm

I always thought the Kamino aliens looked a lot like the ones in Close Encounters of the Third Kind.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2002-08-25 07:58pm

Simon H.Johansen wrote:Just a comment on the theory that the SW universe is the same as ours:

Wouldn't this mean that the grey-skinned aliens who many claim to be have abducted by..... are.... descendants or relatives of the Kaminoans??

Not necessarily. In Biology there tend to be certain designs that recur due to their efficiency or importance, even if they evolve along completely different paths (for instance, the body shapes of seals, whales, and fish are similar, even though they are not closely related. The wings of bats and birds are similar, even though they are not related).