Could he do that?
At the very least we'll clone him so future generations can benfit from his knowledge and Wisdom
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So what do we pay Zahn tons of money to go back and edit the entire EU?
Could he do that?
At the very least we'll clone him so future generations can benfit from his knowledge and Wisdom
Could he do that?
At the very least we'll clone him so future generations can benfit from his knowledge and Wisdom
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Wedge may be the man, but let's face it. Have any of you ever driven something as ungainly as an old 60 something lincoln with suicide doors down your street in rush hour traffic? I bet Lando did, smiled and slid down a nice Colt 45 while he did. Nothing like a Colt 45.
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I'm going to stand by my original opinion of WedgeKolinar Romanov wrote:Hard question, eh comrades ? Personally, I like Han's style. However, I do believe, along with others, that the best pilot is Wedge Antilles.
But Vader/Anakin purely amazes me. A boy that can remove a ship in just a few econds is impossible, but cool.
I'm going to say Vader, just beacause of the Imperial in me
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I voted for Wedge, mainly because 1. I don't take too much out of the EU. 2. Wedge saved Lukes ass during the Battle of Yavin, when whiny boy could loose the TIE on his butt. 3. Luke got his ass shot down during the Battle of Hoth, while Wedge (along with his tail gunner Janson) was able to trip one of the damned walker's with his tow cable, and then Wedge participated in the Battle of Endor (and fired one of the shots that blew the DSII to smithereens) while all Luke did for the most part was watch everything from the Emperor's throne room. Anakin/Darth, might be a good pilot, but all we've seen thus far was Anakin's lucky shot on a TFB, and Vader's hitting a bunch of sitting ducks in a freakin trench (Not really impressive if you ask me.)
There is another reason to think of Wedge as the best (FYI he gets kill claims on both Death Stars because he participated in the final attacks of both, course Han gets one DS under his belt). Wedge is the ONLY non-main character to survive all three movies of the original trilogy.
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I am curious....why is everyone adding the DS2 to their list of why Wedge is best...he piloted a tiny ship down a albeit small area (Lando did the same thing in a ship 3 times as big and Solo is better then Lando) and shot at something that he couldn't have missed if he'd tried...I mean really.
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Neither Janson, Tycho, or Hobby was killed. Reason I mention Wedge as I did is because his is the only minor character that was in all three movies, and survived all three movies.Darth Garden Gnome wrote:Actually Wedge, and the rest of Rouge Squandron ie-Janson, Hobby, Dack (or did he die in TESB?) ect. But Wedge is clearly the best out of Rouge Squandron anyways, so he still the best of the surivivors.
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On the other hand Wedge was piloting a ship that has a fraction of the shields and weaponry of the Falcon, and survived.Captain_Cyran wrote:I am curious....why is everyone adding the DS2 to their list of why Wedge is best...he piloted a tiny ship down a albeit small area (Lando did the same thing in a ship 3 times as big and Solo is better then Lando) and shot at something that he couldn't have missed if he'd tried...I mean really.
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And how many times do we see the Falcon hitting something, once and that was because the area was too small, Lando is not as good of a pilot as Wedge and with a bigger ship we only see him hitting the sides once.
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Not taking anything away from Wedge, who would HAVE to be a great pilot to survive from ANH to ROTJ, but does anyone really think he'd win a dogfight against Vader, Luke or Han? The ability to survive in a war as Wedge did takes a lot of caution as well as skill, and he probably only rarely took risks and only gambled when the odds were in his favour.
Compare this to Anakin/Vader, Luke and Han who all took insane risks like other people pass wind, and with their uber character shields usually came out without a scratch.
So I ask all you Wedgies out there, do you REALLY think that Wedge would win a dogfight or a pod race if matched against those guys?
Compare this to Anakin/Vader, Luke and Han who all took insane risks like other people pass wind, and with their uber character shields usually came out without a scratch.
So I ask all you Wedgies out there, do you REALLY think that Wedge would win a dogfight or a pod race if matched against those guys?
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Actually because Wedge was in command of Rogue Squadron, insane risks and impossible tasks were PART of Wedge's skills. With but a single X-Wing and 6 Z-95 Headhunters, Wedge declared war against Ysane Isard who had 3 SDs and an SSD. At the end of the recent books by Alston, Wedge took on 12 Coral Skippers at once and WON.Akm72 wrote:Not taking anything away from Wedge, who would HAVE to be a great pilot to survive from ANH to ROTJ, but does anyone really think he'd win a dogfight against Vader, Luke or Han? The ability to survive in a war as Wedge did takes a lot of caution as well as skill, and he probably only rarely took risks and only gambled when the odds were in his favour.
Compare this to Anakin/Vader, Luke and Han who all took insane risks like other people pass wind, and with their uber character shields usually came out without a scratch.
So I ask all you Wedgies out there, do you REALLY think that Wedge would win a dogfight or a pod race if matched against those guys?
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What about this excerpt from The Courtship of Princess Leia, by Dave Wolverton? Allow me to put in bold the important parts, to guide the readers through the pages of text.
"suddenly there was a wooshing sound as the Falconfired its missiles. The bottom of the tower exploded, tossing black-robed witches into the air. The tower began to lean as it collapsed.
Gethzerion turned, and Han dropped to the ground, released. Pain tore through his broken leg. A volley of blaster fire shot from the dorsal turrets with pinpoint accuracy. Gethzerion crouched as the bolt ripped through the air where her head had been. She leaped away from the ship, jumped and twisted just as another volley tore beneath her.
Han got a spooky feeling about this. Nobody could fire a ship's blasters with such accuracy. He rolled under the gangplank to take cover from flying debris. The heavily armored guard droids on all six prison towers spun on their turrets and opened fire ont he Falcon, blasting with their cannons.
The Falconrocketed over the prison, flipping in a complex quadruple spin that somehow managed to avoid all the incoming fire. Han had never seen anyone fly like that-not Chewie, not himself. Whoever was at the controls was an ace fighter pilot the likes of no one he'd ever seen, and he guessed it must be Isolder. The Falconmade a nearly impossibly tight roll a kilometer out, and shot back over the prison, upside down, all guns blazing.
Guard droids flared into mushroom clouds at the touch of the blaster cannons. The unarmed carrier took a hit and crumpled, began to burn. The Falconwhizzed overhead, banked for another pass.
Gethzerion must have recognized that staying on the ground to fight was futile, for she leaped up the gangplank of the Imperial ship faster than Han would have believed possible. The carrier's turbines whirred to life before the gangplank even raised, and the air around the ship took on a blue sheen as shields activated. This was an Imperial personnel carrier-fully armed and shielded, nothing for the Falconto toy with.
If Han remained under the carrier as it took off, he would get fried. Yet even if his leg weren't broken, by running he would have risked the Falcon'sblaster fire. He crawled for it, moving across the yard as fast as he could with a broken leg, then fell more than jumped over a bit of rubble from the tower, hoping the Nightsisters wouldn't shoot at him in their haste to leave.
The Falconfired with its ion cannons, and blue lightning flickered around the carrier's hull, but the shields held. The carrier thundered into the air, white flames screaming from its exhaust nacelles.
The Falcontwisted around a hill, blasted a hole in the prison walls and skidded to a halt six yards from Han. The bottom hatch flew open, and Leia shouted, "Come on! Come on!"
Augwynne rushed down the hatch with two of her clan sisters, all three dressed in full helms and robes, and from the looks in their eyes, Han pitied the prison guards.
He crawled for the Falcon, and Isolder ran out grabbed his shoulder and half-carried Han into the ship. Han looked at Isolder, confused. "Who, who's flying?"
"Luke," Leia said.
"Luke?" Han asked. "Luke's not that good!"
"Nobody's this good," Isolder said, slapping Han on the back. "I've got to see this!" He ran back down the access tube to the control room.
Leia stared hard into Han's eyes, grabbed his face and kissed him. Pain flared from the broken molars and Han nearly screamed, but instead held Leia and closed his eyes, just enjoying it.
The ship jostled and swerved as Luke pulled maneuvers that even the accelerator compensators couldn't neutralize, and Chewbacca gave a terrified roar from the cockpit. Han limped in, holding onto Leia for support. He strapped himself into a seat, reached up and grabbed the emergency medkit from the compartment above his head, and slapped a painkiller patch on his arm. The dorsal quadruple blaster cannons fired, and Han looked around. Chewbacca, Isolder, Teneniel, and the droids were all in the cockpit, watching Luke.
"Who's up there firing the blaster cannons?" Han asked.
"Luke," Leia said, and Han looked down the hallway, confused. You could fire the blasters from the cockpit, but only with greatly reduced accuracy. Yet Luke had nearly taken Gethzerion's head off, with Han less than a meter away, while piloting this hunk of junk at full attack speed. The whole thing was too darned spooky.
Luke sweated from the effort of flying the Falcon. Levers and buttons on Chewie's control panel seemed to take on a life of their own as Luke manipulated them with the Force. The Jedi was doing the work of three-pilot, copilot, gunner. Luke fired a missile barrage without lowering the particle shields, and Chewie roared in terror and threw his hands in front of his face.
But as the missiles hit the fifty-meter mark, Luke dropped the shields and restarted them, so that they flickered for less than the blink of an eye. Han had never seen anyone with reflexes so sharply honed.
The carrier's rear shields erupted in a dazzling display of lights, and the witches finally managed to fire a barrage of blaster cannons on their own. Luke hit the thrusters and the Falconleaped up, dodging. He fired his proton torpedoes, and the torpedoes accelerated toward the carrier in a white blur.
The Nightsisters shot their blasters at the missiles, and the torpedoes erupted in a sulfurous cloud. Han stared in disbelief at what the witches had done. No gunner was thatgood."
Apparantly....Luke wins this contest. Luke controlled the entire Millenium Falcon, and with perfection. He made maneuvers that the onboard computers couldn't handle, dodging every single blaster bolt fired from six different locations simutaneously, and it is the Millenium Falcon. Not an X-Wing, or even an A-Wing. A transport. Han never saw anyone fly like that at all, including Baron Soontir Fel, Wedge, Vader, Lando, and anyone else he saw fly. Chewie was scared. And this is coming from the people that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs, never took a hit in that asteroid field in TESB, made total fools of ISD captains and TIE Fighter pilots, and sent Darth Vader wildly off into space with a few well-placed shots from one of the turrets. Unless you eliminate the Force from the pilots' abilities, than you virtually cannot argue against Luke. How could you? And while this is EU and could somehow be contradicted in Episode Three by who-knows-what, this contest is based around the EU. So, I guess this is a good source for declaring Luke the winner. Don't forget that he piloted the speeder bike in RotJ and the swoop in SotE with relative ease. I'm sure he's piloted much more than that, but these are the only things that really come to mind that are impressive. Not sure about this, but didn't he beat Wedge in Beggar's Canyon? And why hadn't anyone even considered the chase through Coruscant in AotC for Anakin/Vader? Hopefully, we'll see Anakin pull a Yoda in a huge Episode Three space battle.
"suddenly there was a wooshing sound as the Falconfired its missiles. The bottom of the tower exploded, tossing black-robed witches into the air. The tower began to lean as it collapsed.
Gethzerion turned, and Han dropped to the ground, released. Pain tore through his broken leg. A volley of blaster fire shot from the dorsal turrets with pinpoint accuracy. Gethzerion crouched as the bolt ripped through the air where her head had been. She leaped away from the ship, jumped and twisted just as another volley tore beneath her.
Han got a spooky feeling about this. Nobody could fire a ship's blasters with such accuracy. He rolled under the gangplank to take cover from flying debris. The heavily armored guard droids on all six prison towers spun on their turrets and opened fire ont he Falcon, blasting with their cannons.
The Falconrocketed over the prison, flipping in a complex quadruple spin that somehow managed to avoid all the incoming fire. Han had never seen anyone fly like that-not Chewie, not himself. Whoever was at the controls was an ace fighter pilot the likes of no one he'd ever seen, and he guessed it must be Isolder. The Falconmade a nearly impossibly tight roll a kilometer out, and shot back over the prison, upside down, all guns blazing.
Guard droids flared into mushroom clouds at the touch of the blaster cannons. The unarmed carrier took a hit and crumpled, began to burn. The Falconwhizzed overhead, banked for another pass.
Gethzerion must have recognized that staying on the ground to fight was futile, for she leaped up the gangplank of the Imperial ship faster than Han would have believed possible. The carrier's turbines whirred to life before the gangplank even raised, and the air around the ship took on a blue sheen as shields activated. This was an Imperial personnel carrier-fully armed and shielded, nothing for the Falconto toy with.
If Han remained under the carrier as it took off, he would get fried. Yet even if his leg weren't broken, by running he would have risked the Falcon'sblaster fire. He crawled for it, moving across the yard as fast as he could with a broken leg, then fell more than jumped over a bit of rubble from the tower, hoping the Nightsisters wouldn't shoot at him in their haste to leave.
The Falconfired with its ion cannons, and blue lightning flickered around the carrier's hull, but the shields held. The carrier thundered into the air, white flames screaming from its exhaust nacelles.
The Falcontwisted around a hill, blasted a hole in the prison walls and skidded to a halt six yards from Han. The bottom hatch flew open, and Leia shouted, "Come on! Come on!"
Augwynne rushed down the hatch with two of her clan sisters, all three dressed in full helms and robes, and from the looks in their eyes, Han pitied the prison guards.
He crawled for the Falcon, and Isolder ran out grabbed his shoulder and half-carried Han into the ship. Han looked at Isolder, confused. "Who, who's flying?"
"Luke," Leia said.
"Luke?" Han asked. "Luke's not that good!"
"Nobody's this good," Isolder said, slapping Han on the back. "I've got to see this!" He ran back down the access tube to the control room.
Leia stared hard into Han's eyes, grabbed his face and kissed him. Pain flared from the broken molars and Han nearly screamed, but instead held Leia and closed his eyes, just enjoying it.
The ship jostled and swerved as Luke pulled maneuvers that even the accelerator compensators couldn't neutralize, and Chewbacca gave a terrified roar from the cockpit. Han limped in, holding onto Leia for support. He strapped himself into a seat, reached up and grabbed the emergency medkit from the compartment above his head, and slapped a painkiller patch on his arm. The dorsal quadruple blaster cannons fired, and Han looked around. Chewbacca, Isolder, Teneniel, and the droids were all in the cockpit, watching Luke.
"Who's up there firing the blaster cannons?" Han asked.
"Luke," Leia said, and Han looked down the hallway, confused. You could fire the blasters from the cockpit, but only with greatly reduced accuracy. Yet Luke had nearly taken Gethzerion's head off, with Han less than a meter away, while piloting this hunk of junk at full attack speed. The whole thing was too darned spooky.
Luke sweated from the effort of flying the Falcon. Levers and buttons on Chewie's control panel seemed to take on a life of their own as Luke manipulated them with the Force. The Jedi was doing the work of three-pilot, copilot, gunner. Luke fired a missile barrage without lowering the particle shields, and Chewie roared in terror and threw his hands in front of his face.
But as the missiles hit the fifty-meter mark, Luke dropped the shields and restarted them, so that they flickered for less than the blink of an eye. Han had never seen anyone with reflexes so sharply honed.
The carrier's rear shields erupted in a dazzling display of lights, and the witches finally managed to fire a barrage of blaster cannons on their own. Luke hit the thrusters and the Falconleaped up, dodging. He fired his proton torpedoes, and the torpedoes accelerated toward the carrier in a white blur.
The Nightsisters shot their blasters at the missiles, and the torpedoes erupted in a sulfurous cloud. Han stared in disbelief at what the witches had done. No gunner was thatgood."
Apparantly....Luke wins this contest. Luke controlled the entire Millenium Falcon, and with perfection. He made maneuvers that the onboard computers couldn't handle, dodging every single blaster bolt fired from six different locations simutaneously, and it is the Millenium Falcon. Not an X-Wing, or even an A-Wing. A transport. Han never saw anyone fly like that at all, including Baron Soontir Fel, Wedge, Vader, Lando, and anyone else he saw fly. Chewie was scared. And this is coming from the people that made the Kessel run in less than 12 parsecs, never took a hit in that asteroid field in TESB, made total fools of ISD captains and TIE Fighter pilots, and sent Darth Vader wildly off into space with a few well-placed shots from one of the turrets. Unless you eliminate the Force from the pilots' abilities, than you virtually cannot argue against Luke. How could you? And while this is EU and could somehow be contradicted in Episode Three by who-knows-what, this contest is based around the EU. So, I guess this is a good source for declaring Luke the winner. Don't forget that he piloted the speeder bike in RotJ and the swoop in SotE with relative ease. I'm sure he's piloted much more than that, but these are the only things that really come to mind that are impressive. Not sure about this, but didn't he beat Wedge in Beggar's Canyon? And why hadn't anyone even considered the chase through Coruscant in AotC for Anakin/Vader? Hopefully, we'll see Anakin pull a Yoda in a huge Episode Three space battle.
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I will probably have to go with Wedge. After all Corran himself *dodges rotten fruit and vegetables thrown his way* said that he had the upmost respect for people like him who could do all that he's done without having the Force to guide his hands.
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Wet raspberry! I have to point out that Luke had just had the beguesous kicked out of him and subsquently healed himself through the Force it seems and had a short term blast of Extra Force or somthing because he's never this good agian
For once he truely LET himself go and must have stumbled into that spot where Jediness is at its peak
If you notice he never manages to do anything similar agian
So that means he's only good if you nearly kill them heal him up quick and slap him in the cockpit right after?
For once he truely LET himself go and must have stumbled into that spot where Jediness is at its peak
If you notice he never manages to do anything similar agian
So that means he's only good if you nearly kill them heal him up quick and slap him in the cockpit right after?
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To be fair, TESB was when Luke only had a nugget of Force-capability. Without the Force, Luke is almost certainly no match for Wedge. With the Force, it is a much more even contest to say the least.BioDroid wrote:Like I said, I don't put much faith in the EU. You're also talking about someone who WAS shot down by an AT-AT!