Fleshing out the Imperial Navy.

[NecronLord]

Rough ish guesses for some of them

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Eclipse-Class Commandship(16000m)       - 2
Sovereign-Class Commandship(16000m)     - 4
Executor-Class Commandship(17600m)      - 14+
Vengeance-Class Battlecruiser(10100m)   - 50
Shockwave-Class Battlecruiser(1.6-8km)  - 400
Allegiance-class Destroyer(2200m)       - 1.000
Imperator-Class Destroyer(1600m)        - 25.000
Dominator-Class Destroyer(1600m)        - 2.000
Modular star hauler(1150m)              - 125.000 (high number due to the dual use nature of the design)
Victory-Class Destroyer(900m)           - 75.000
Harrow-class Destroyer(900m)            - 85.000
Majestic-class Heavy Cruiser(700m)      - What is this one?
Defender-class Assault carrier(700m)    - unknown
Dreadnaught(600m)                       - unknown
Immobiliser-class picket(600m)          - unknown
Enforcer-class picket(600m)             - unknown
Demolisher-class frigate(490-580m)      - unknown
Sacheen-class Light escort(375m)        - unknown
Warrior-class Gunship(190m)             - unknown
Agave-class Picket(190m)                - unknown

[nightmare]

Several of those listed are late era NR ships as pointed out

Pointed out where?

Here:

Aren't the Majestic, Defender, Sacheen, Warrior, and Agave New Republic designs?

Like God Emperor said, there were only 2 Eclipse class ships. As for the Sovereigns, I believe 4 were in construction but were all destroyed before completion.

As far as Allegiance-class goes, we have the Allegiance (1), the Eclipse escorts (3), the Byss Iron Ring patrol (1), and the SDs in the battle of Balmorra. 2, IIRC.

Only one positive identification of the Star Hauler. I rather think it was a prototype and mass construction of it never started.

The Star Hauler, or MTC, appears several times in DE and DE2.

[His Divine Shadow]

Aren't the Majestic, Defender, Sacheen, Warrior, and Agave New Republic designs?

I don't know, they where not mentioned explicitly except in the Black Fleet Crisis but I see no reason that they are new designs, ship designs in SW usually span decades or centuries mostly with only small modifications.

Heck the CSA uses refitted 3000 year old dreadnaughts.

[phongn]

Aren't the Majestic, Defender, Sacheen, Warrior, and Agave New Republic designs?

I don't know, they where not mentioned explicitly except in the Black Fleet Crisis but I see no reason that they are new designs, ship designs in SW usually span decades or centuries mostly with only small modifications.

Heck the CSA uses refitted 3000 year old dreadnaughts.

The CSA also has different needs. For what they're dealing with, those old warship are fine.

[His Divine Shadow]

The CSA also has different needs. For what they're dealing with, those old warship are fine.

Yeah but it shows, new designs does not have to pop up regularly every few decades

[Admiral Johnason]

At the most, there were 2,500,000 SDs as of the Battle of Endor. Though around 1,500,000 were probably ISDs.

[white_rabbit]

I thought 25,000 was the number of Star Destroyers in the fleet, that is Imperial, Victory and Executor class Star Destroyers.

No, it was strictly ISDs.

Huh, wasnt the quote non-specific ?

[Sea Skimmer]

Aren't the Majestic, Defender, Sacheen, Warrior, and Agave New Republic designs?

Like God Emperor said, there were only 2 Eclipse class ships. As for the Sovereigns, I believe 4 were in construction but were all destroyed before completion.

No, but all where destroyed via sabotage within one year of completion.

[consequences]

No, but all where destroyed via sabotage within one year of completion.

Frickkin EU 'Big ships can't possibly be effective or accomplish anything' brainbug.

[Illuminatus Primus]

Aren't the Majestic, Defender, Sacheen, Warrior, and Agave New Republic designs?

Like God Emperor said, there were only 2 Eclipse class ships. As for the Sovereigns, I believe 4 were in construction but were all destroyed before completion.

No, but all where destroyed via sabotage within one year of completion.

This was ret-conned.

All the Soveriegns were being constructed in Byss' shipyards.

They went when the Galaxy Gun reduced Byss to plasma.

[nightmare]

Aren't the Majestic, Defender, Sacheen, Warrior, and Agave New Republic designs?

I don't know, they where not mentioned explicitly except in the Black Fleet Crisis but I see no reason that they are new designs, ship designs in SW usually span decades or centuries mostly with only small modifications.

Heck the CSA uses refitted 3000 year old dreadnaughts.

Haven't read it myself, but I believe they are in CTD (Cracken's Threat Dossier).

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Aren't the Majestic, Defender, Sacheen, Warrior, and Agave New Republic designs?

Like God Emperor said, there were only 2 Eclipse class ships. As for the Sovereigns, I believe 4 were in construction but were all destroyed before completion.

No, but all where destroyed via sabotage within one year of completion.

I heard they were scrapped.

[Illuminatus Primus]

They were all destroyed when Byss exploded.

[Peregrin Toker]

What about Admiral Giel's battleship? The cruisers and battlecruisers from DE and Marvel.

If you can find class names, be my guest and add them.
There are many many classes listed on Saxton's site but I only used the ones that had actual designations.

Giel's flagship is often referred to as a "Corellian Battleship" - some even call it a "Giel-class Battleship."

I reclassified the Shockwave to be a battlecruiser, I felt this was more appropriate.

Maybe the Shockwave is of the same class one of the seen-but-never-named warships seen in Dark Empire, such as the infamous "Hunchback" battlecruiser I keep blathering about.

BTW, what about the Mandators and the Procurators mentioned in SW2ICS, assuming they haven't been scrapped. (If they keep refitted Dreadnaughts going, it's probably that some, if not most, of the Mandators and Procurators still are in service)[/quote]

[His Divine Shadow]

Maybe the Shockwave is of the same class one of the seen-but-never-named warships seen in Dark Empire, such as the infamous "Hunchback" battlecruiser I keep blathering about.

The Shockwave was featured in Darksaber only to my recollection.

[Peregrin Toker]

Maybe the Shockwave is of the same class one of the seen-but-never-named warships seen in Dark Empire, such as the infamous "Hunchback" battlecruiser I keep blathering about.

The Shockwave was featured in Darksaber only to my recollection.

It might appear so, but we never really get to know much about the Shockwave, other than that:

- It is bigger than a Star Destroyer, but not any longer than 8km.

Curtis Saxton in fact writes:

Unfortunately, physical descriptions of Shockwave are scant, so it is not yet possible to identify its design class. It could be similar to Allegiance, or one of the anonymous warship classes seen in Dark Empire or the Marvel comics. It could be a just as easily belong to aclass which has not yet been seen in illustrated literature.

We cannot know for sure. But I can easily imagine the Hunchback Battlecruiser, which is 6.2km long and thus many times bigger than an ISD, blasting the lesser ship to tiny burning pieces in a single volley.

It could also be an Allegiance-class Heavy Star Destroyer. (I call it so because it's clearly more powerful than a regular Star Destroyer, but not SSD size)

However, Saxton ensures us that it might not be a class we have seen yet, although I wonder why the Empire would have 6+ different battlecruiser classes which fulfill similar niche roles but rarely see service. Maybe they just purchase a vide variety of battlecruisers and battleships from various lesser-known shipyards (in other words, other yards than KDY, Rendili StarDrive and Corellian Engineering Corporation) to encourage competition.

Or maybe Palpatine foresaw the Vong invasion and armed up to the coming invasion by building fleets of such juggernaughts??

[Lord Pounder]

I
Executor Class Star Destroyers would be Six IIRC. Executor, Lusankya, Guardian, and the three SSDs in the Black Fleet.

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Iron Fist, Razors Kiss, Knight Hammer, The Un-Named SSD Iceheart used to make General Dirote(sp) to leave and make the Krytos Virus.

[Illuminatus Primus]

However, Saxton ensures us that it might not be a class we have seen yet, although I wonder why the Empire would have 6+ different battlecruiser classes which fulfill similar niche roles but rarely see service. Maybe they just purchase a vide variety of battlecruisers and battleships from various lesser-known shipyards (in other words, other yards than KDY, Rendili StarDrive and Corellian Engineering Corporation) to encourage competition.

Or maybe Palpatine foresaw the Vong invasion and armed up to the coming invasion by building fleets of such juggernaughts??

This explains why the vast majority of the Imperial Navy proper was composed of multi-purpose destroyers.

With the Rebellion primarily a guerilla force with crusiers that had a tonnage and firepower inferior to their standard destroyer, and with the largest non-Imperial ships likely closing out at the Victory-class light destroyer or the Katana-class, there was little need for anything other than their multi-purpose destroyers. The assortment of cruisers, battlecruisers, and battleships probably served only for parades and massive show, and just in case.

And possibly also to fuel secret expeditions like Thrawn's in the Unknown Regions: where such massive vessels would come in handy.

[Darth Fanboy]

I
Executor Class Star Destroyers would be Six IIRC. Executor, Lusankya, Guardian, and the three SSDs in the Black Fleet.

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And the Knight Hammer

Pre Endor SSDs

[Darth Fanboy]

I
Executor Class Star Destroyers would be Six IIRC. Executor, Lusankya, Guardian, and the three SSDs in the Black Fleet.

.

Iron Fist, Razors Kiss, Knight Hammer, The Un-Named SSD Iceheart used to make General Dirote(sp) to leave and make the Krytos Virus.

Pre Endor SSDs

I thought we wanted the Empire AT ITS HEIGHT after all

EDIT: One Exception, SSD Iron Fist was part of the Pre Endor Imperial Fleet. So yea it would be seven.

[Peregrin Toker]

The assortment of cruisers, battlecruisers, and battleships probably served only for parades and massive show, and just in case.

And possibly also to fuel secret expeditions like Thrawn's in the Unknown Regions: where such massive vessels would come in handy.

When you're head of the Galactic Empire, it's always better to have one Hunchback Battlecruiser too many than one too few.

[His Divine Shadow]

There's also the fact that for the Empire/Old Republic, resources in terms of material, technology and such are so plentifull they can build these huge vessels easily.

Human "components" while readily aviable are proportionally more rare I would assume.

[IRG CommandoJoe]

I
Executor Class Star Destroyers would be Six IIRC. Executor, Lusankya, Guardian, and the three SSDs in the Black Fleet.

.

Iron Fist, Razors Kiss, Knight Hammer, The Un-Named SSD Iceheart used to make General Dirote(sp) to leave and make the Krytos Virus.

Pre Endor SSDs

I thought we wanted the Empire AT ITS HEIGHT after all

EDIT: One Exception, SSD Iron Fist was part of the Pre Endor Imperial Fleet. So yea it would be seven.

Another one. The SSD Terror from Rebel Assault 2. It had to be just before Endor because there were B-Wings and Vader was still alive.

[Illuminatus Primus]

B-Wings were out before Hoth.

[Mutant Headcrab]

Should the Arc Hammer from the first Dark Forces game be counted?